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07-07-2008, 02:51 AM
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Who from the Phantoms would be most likely to be called up if there is an injury?

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07-07-2008, 04:26 AM
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Gagne/Hartnell-Carter-Briere
Hartnell/Gagne-Richards-Lupul
Upshall-Metropolit-Giroux
Cote-Thoresen-Knuble (perhaps save his stamina for the PP?)
The point that some people fail to see is that gagne and carter shoot way too much for a line like that to work.

The two would not get as many shot opportunities if they played together on the same line, and this would hurt both players production.

Can't work, won't work, don't even try it.

I'd like to see a pass-first, true playmaking winger like Giroux play with a shooting center like Carter - seems like the perfect match.

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07-07-2008, 06:52 AM
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Who from the Phantoms would be most likely to be called up if there is an injury?
F: Matsumoto, Nodl, Maroon, Cabana or Kalinski (depends on who is injured)

D: Syvret, Bartulis, Ramholt or Guenin (same condition as above).

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07-07-2008, 09:09 AM
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The point that some people fail to see is that gagne and carter shoot way too much for a line like that to work.

The two would not get as many shot opportunities if they played together on the same line, and this would hurt both players production.

Can't work, won't work, don't even try it.

I'd like to see a pass-first, true playmaking winger like Giroux play with a shooting center like Carter - seems like the perfect match.
Sounds like Briere to me...

Forget putting Giroux on Carter's wing for now -- at least not until he has gotten some games under his belt and shows what he can consistently do at the NHL level. With Briere passing to him, Carter is a LOCK for 40 goals, and finally maximizing his goal scoring potential should be a main focus this upcoming season.

Yeah, having Gagne and Carter on the same line -- even if they're with Briere -- probably wouldn't work, but I was throwing it out there anyway because of the success Briere and Gagne had together before Simon's injury. I guess a true grinder like Hartnell is a much more ideal fit to complete that first line with Carter and Briere. Additionally, putting Gagne on Richards' wing instantly makes the second line (line 1B, really) a great two-way unit.

Hartnell-Carter-Briere
Gagne-Richards-Lupul

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07-07-2008, 09:26 AM
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Yeah I agree that Gagne and Carter wouldnt make good linemates.

Maybe something like this:

Hartnell/Upshall-Carter-Briere
Gagne-Richards-Lupul (gagne and richards have played well together before)
Hartnell/Upshall-Metropolit-Knuble/Giroux

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07-07-2008, 09:31 AM
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I can see the argument for separating Gagne and Carter, but then you have Gagne and Lupul together.

Carter averaged 3.2 shots per game this past year.
Lupul averaged 3.1 shots. So it's not like Lupul is any less of a shooter than Carter is.

I personally would at least like to experiment with Gagne-Carter-Briere.

As I've said before, I think Carter has very underrated playmaking skills (something that Lupul doesn't have incidentally) and with good coaching, I think Carter can refine his game and become a truly elite C.

I'm not saying Carter will become either of these 2 guys because they're both HOFers, but Sundin and Sakic are known for their shots as well, but they both have underrated passing ability.

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07-07-2008, 09:48 AM
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I can see the argument for separating Gagne and Carter, but then you have Gagne and Lupul together.

Carter averaged 3.2 shots per game this past year.
Lupul averaged 3.1 shots. So it's not like Lupul is any less of a shooter than Carter is.

I personally would at least like to experiment with Gagne-Carter-Briere.

As I've said before, I think Carter has very underrated playmaking skills (something that Lupul doesn't have incidentally) and with good coaching, I think Carter can refine his game and become a truly elite C.

I'm not saying Carter will become either of these 2 guys because they're both HOFers, but Sundin and Sakic are known for their shots as well, but they both have underrated passing ability.
Carter averaged 1.3 missed shots per game, and Lupul averaged .92 missed shots per game.

so Carter 4.5 shot attempts per game
Lupul 4.0 SA per game.

Still not too different.

I was moreso thinking it would create a problem because of Carter being at Centre. Shooter-Shooter-Playmaker seems like a weird set up. While Shooter-Playmaker-Shooter has more balance. Or Grinder-Shooter-Playmaker

But you make a good point. If Carter changes his game a bit he can play with anyone.


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07-07-2008, 09:55 AM
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Carter averaged 1.3 missed shots per game, and Lupul averaged .92 missed shots per game.

so Carter 4.5 shot attempts per game
Lupul 4.0 SA per game.

Still not too different, and you make a good point. If Carter changes his game a bit he can play with anyone.
Yeah the thing with Carter too is that a lot of his missed shots are just those ones when he speeds into the zone and fires a 40 foot wrister over the net. If he can cut that out of his game and learn to pass more, he'll be much more effective.

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07-07-2008, 10:02 AM
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I was moreso thinking it would create a problem because of Carter being at Centre. Shooter-Shooter-Playmaker seems like a weird set up. While Shooter-Playmaker-Shooter has more balance. Or Grinder-Shooter-Playmaker
I can't not think of old school Nintendo hockey when I read this.

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07-07-2008, 10:03 AM
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I'd be interested in seeing a Gagne/Richards/Upshall line.

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07-07-2008, 10:06 AM
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I can't not think of old school Nintendo hockey when I read this.


Richards, Hatcher....

...and that's Peppermint Fatty on the far right.

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07-07-2008, 10:24 AM
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Richards, Hatcher....

...and that's Peppermint Fatty on the far right.
I actually have that game. Its Called either "Ice Hockey" or "Blades of Steel"

I cant remember which one it is though

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07-07-2008, 10:42 AM
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Lupul-Richard-Giroux
Gagne-Briere-Downie
Upshall-Carter-Knuble
Cote-Metropolit-Thoresen

Though I know Hartnell is here to stay

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07-07-2008, 10:44 AM
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Gagne-Richards-Briere
Upshall-Carter-Giroux
Hartnell-Metro-Lupul
Knuble-Thor-Downie/Cote

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07-07-2008, 11:30 AM
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I actually have that game. Its Called either "Ice Hockey" or "Blades of Steel"

I cant remember which one it is though
That's Ice Hockey. Blades of Steel was better-looking (Konami developed it as an arcade game first) and the players looked somewhat like hockey players. Blades of Steel had fighting, too.

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07-07-2008, 11:38 AM
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asham(sp) is reportly here now, him and cote on the 4th with either thor, metro or downie

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This looks solid with one exception, how will Giroux play?

Gagne Briere Giroux
Hartnell Richards Lupul
Upshall Carter Knuble
Asham Metro Downie
Cote

Did I miss someone?

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07-07-2008, 11:50 AM
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This looks solid with one exception, how will Giroux play?

Gagne Briere Giroux
Hartnell Richards Lupul
Upshall Carter Knuble
Asham Metro Downie
Cote

Did I miss someone?
Thoresen, but he's not signed yet so who knows if he'll actually stay with us. I'd like him to.

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07-07-2008, 11:53 AM
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Thoresen, but he's not signed yet so who knows if he'll actually stay with us. I'd like him to.
I do not really care about him. Asham is better, hits like a truck, drops goves, good skater. If Downie will not play well, Cote will replace him until he gets his act together.

I like the way our LW is. Hartnel, Upshall, Asham

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That's Ice Hockey. Blades of Steel was better-looking (Konami developed it as an arcade game first) and the players looked somewhat like hockey players. Blades of Steel had fighting, too.
Ice hockey had fighting as well, but it would be an all out brawl with all members of both teams fighting, and the ref would then randomly assign a penalty to one of the teams.


"They fight, they fight!!"


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I'm pretty sure Asham was brought in to push Downie/Thor/etc for a spot. But I think I'm in the majority here when I say that Downie is not a 4th line player and a full year in the AHL getting top 6 minutes would do him good for his development.

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i really want metro as our 3rd line center, but ill wait to see how he pans out

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I'm pretty sure Asham was brought in to push Downie/Thor/etc for a spot. But I think I'm in the majority here when I say that Downie is not a 4th line player and a full year in the AHL getting top 6 minutes would do him good for his development.
I have to agree and I'm a huge Downie supporter. He needs time with a scoring line to maximize his potential and forget about playing the pest/goon. The Phantoms' top lines are looking a little thin, it would do him some good to be a premier player down there.

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07-07-2008, 12:06 PM
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i really want metro as our 3rd line center, but ill wait to see how he pans out
I love this.. Why? Is Metro better then Briere, Richards or Carter?


O yeah yeah yeah.. Briere to the RW BS. How about we wait for Gagne and then move Briere to the RW if he and Gagne suck.

Metro is a perfect upgrade to Dowd. Metro can play some 3rd line minutes as so can Asham.

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I love this.. Why? Is Metro better then Briere, Richards or Carter?


O yeah yeah yeah.. Briere to the RW BS. How about we wait for Gagne and then move Briere to the RW if he and Gagne suck.

Metro is a perfect upgrade to Dowd. Metro can play some 3rd line minutes as so can Asham.
I agree here. So many people are trying to move him to wing. I also think we should wait to see how he does with Gagne. Maybe he could work on his D like Savard did but i dont know bout that. I dont see Metro as our 3rd line center. I just dont see it at all. Maybe if we start sucking and need to move Briere to wing that it happens but at the moment we wont start the season with Briere at wing. Im sure of that

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