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06-06-2004, 01:36 PM
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Kudos to Don Cherry

Its not very often you see something that Don did on Coach's Corner last night. His spot on the Military and D-Day was incredible. Hat's off to him.

The constant support of our troops by that man is awesome. The sacrifice that the men and women in uniform both at home and abroad is IMO not appreciated enough both by the public and by the press. What he did means a lot. Believe me.

As a member of the military myself, it was much appreciated.

I was told by a friend of mine that he was in Don Cherry's resteraunt in Toronto a few years ago. Don happened to be there that night, and talked to the boys. He said that he felt that the work that we do isn't recognized enough, and he supports us all the way.
Then he said whatever they wanted that night was on the house. How cool is that?

Thanks Don for making my day!

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Plus he correctly called St Louis for the goal.

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Unlike a lot of other people, I'm going to really miss Don Cherry if he's not around next season..

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With the Bobby Orr tribute during Coaches Corner the other night, and the tribute to the military last night, I do think Cherry is preparing for this to be his last season.

I often disagree with his opinions, but I do think he's got a good heart underneath it all. It's too bad it takes a hockey commentator to get some recognition for the armed forces in this country.

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With the Bobby Orr tribute during Coaches Corner the other night, and the tribute to the military last night, I do think Cherry is preparing for this to be his last season.

I often disagree with his opinions, but I do think he's got a good heart underneath it all. It's too bad it takes a hockey commentator to get some recognition for the armed forces in this country.
Ahem. Not to get political but the Conservatives seem to be doing it right now too. But are politicians any more credible than hockey commentators?

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Ahem. Not to get political but the Conservatives seem to be doing it right now too. But are politicians any more credible than hockey commentators?
IMO, less actually.

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As someone who grew up watching Don Cherry on HNIC, I'm going to miss him. He is as important to Hockey Night in Canada as Ron McLean, heck, some nights the games themselves (anyone else tuned into HNIC and watched part of a Toronto/Florida game just to catch what Don said about the recent hullabaloo in the hockey world?).

The guy is as synonamous with Canadian hockey as Maurice Richard or Steve Yzerman.

I, like another poster on this thread, feel that he has a good heart underneath all those startched collars. And when something needs to be said, you can count on Don to say it. I know I'll be tuning in tonight.

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The sick thing is that they're hanging him over stating a statistical fact about frenchies and visors. IMO the heads of the CBC should be round up and shot (that includes Martin the loser ) if they don't bring back Grapes - I hope that he gets on with another station.... Could anybody see him following Hodge to TSN or headin over to Sportsnet? I think that'd be great - give him a weekly show that's an hour long or so perhaps? I dunno.... or have him do color for the Oilers games! That'd kick so much a$$ it'd hurt!

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The sick thing is that they're hanging him over stating a statistical fact about frenchies and visors.
Actually, it wasn't correct at all... there are 25 players from Quebec who wear visors... but also 25 from Ontario (as well as the United States).

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/040211/6/wpx1.html

He got the European part right, but that is more a case of a cultural thing. most Europeans come over after playing a couple of years of pro hockey in Europe where visors I beleive are mandatory (someone may correct me on this).

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IMO the heads of the CBC should be round up and shot (that includes Martin the loser ) if they don't bring back Grapes - I hope that he gets on with another station.... Could anybody see him following Hodge to TSN or headin over to Sportsnet? I think that'd be great - give him a weekly show that's an hour long or so perhaps? I dunno.... or have him do color for the Oilers games! That'd kick so much a$$ it'd hurt!
My problem with Grapes is that he is woefully inconsistant. He more or less mocks players with visors, yet hasn't said Boo about Jarome (who oddly enough plays with a visor), and continually praises him for taking matters in his own hands (Ohlund, Hatcher) and fighting without taking his helmet off. And evidently, anyone who wears a visor is a coward... except those guys not from Quebec/Europe.

Then you have Theoron Fleury, one of the biggest divers in NHL history, and is a favorite of Grapes who seems to ignore a huge part of Fleury's game, but will chastize a European who does it, seemingly because he can't pronounce the guy's name.

And don't get me started on Gilmour... the toughest hockey player ever when there was 5 of his team-mates, 2 linesmen and a ref in between him and you. Yet Grapes lauded him like he was a king and one of the toughest players ever...

Hey, I don't mind a guy having pet peeves and ranting, but Don Cherry talks out of both sides of his mouth. Visors are for Cowards, but Iginla is a good old Canadian boy... I simply don't get it. I don't understand how someone can contradict themselves so much and show such passion for one side of a story, yet ignore it when it suits him best.

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Yes, I know there are inconsistencies - but you look at the % of French skaters that wear visors as to the % of anglo-phones that do and you'll see he was quite right (especially if you group in the Europeans with the French). We all have inconsistencies in our life -and to deny that is simply talking out of your own side of your mouth - but for somebody to want to take his job away from him because of that is nonsensical.

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Yes, I know there are inconsistencies - but you look at the % of French skaters that wear visors as to the % of anglo-phones that do and you'll see he was quite right (especially if you group in the Europeans with the French).
Well Yes... but then why didn't he group Ontarians in? He would have been just as correct if he had said most of the players who wear visors were Europeans and Ontarians. Let's face it... he would have been "right" if he had said that most of the players that wear visors were European and Alaskan. It's common knowledge that most of the players who wear visors in the NHL are Europeans, but Cherry was taking a deliberate shot at the Quebec-born players... of that there is no denying. Now, being that he was partially right doesn't make his message any more powerful. He feels all players who wear visors are cowards, and then he specifically mentions Europeans and French-Canadians as the main visor wearers.

I am not reading into this at all... this was his message.

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We all have inconsistencies in our life -and to deny that is simply talking out of your own side of your mouth - but for somebody to want to take his job away from him because of that is nonsensical.
No it isn't nonsensical. Firstly his message is being broadcast to millions of people... both English and French Canadians. What he has done is put the idea in the heads of thousands of hockey players that French Canadians are wussies, and that wearing a visor makes you a coward. I am all for allowing the players to make their own decisions, but when you have a hockey "authority" in this country parlaying this message, you aren't really giving these players a choice are you? He's in a position of unbeleivable influence in this country, and my problem with it is that far too often it's his agenda, not what's best for the game of hockey, that gets portrayed. Ron McLean is more of a puppet than anything, so where is the foil to Don Cherry? Where is the guy that when Grapes says visors are for cowards that says directly to his face "What about Iginla", or "Did you know that there have been 30 career ending eye injuries and that none were suffered by a player wearing a visor". He is no different from a politician or anyone else in the media... you simply can't step all over your own feet over and over and over again, which unfortunately is exactly what Grapes does.

I've only noticed this about Grapes over the past 3 years... I used to be a huge fan of his and hung on his every word, but something has changed (either I have matured), or Grapes has changed... I really don't know... but I find myself more and more often staring at the screen and asking outloud "WTF did you just say?".

I actually blame the CBC more for this than Grapes, because they have no balances for him and lately it seems that 9 times out of 10 he is relaying a rather shady or one-sided opinion, which is not countered in the slightest bit. You have the opinion car-wreck that is Ron McLean out there who every now and then starts to say something only to cower in fear when Grapes gives him a bad look. I can understand you have a guy with the Opinion of Grapes and not everything he says is bad, but when you have no one who can make the slightest bit of a counter argument to what he says, it just enforces that message and makes it look like you are supporting that opinion (as a network).

Anyways, this is way off-topic, sorry.

I do appreciate the support he gives to the Canadian Troops, Police officers, firemen (the true heros in our society). I even like how he dedicates broadcasts to the families of people who have died, and special hockey stories (like kids coming back from broken necks). That is the part I am going to miss about Grapes, and that's the part that Canada is going to miss out on. It's unfortunate that he can be so twisted and crossed up when it comes to NHL hockey, because this doesn't seem like the Grapes I used to know.

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06-08-2004, 12:25 AM
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I don't think you're right about the stats on Ont born players wearing visors Dawg, between the Quebecois, Euros and Ontarians that's about 70% of the league. If it's true it's the first I've heard of it.

You're right about Cherry being way off base on certain issues but you also have to respect that he's the only Canadian on tv that has an honest opinion on anything. When Don is gone this whole country will die a politically correct death.

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06-08-2004, 12:52 AM
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It's time to move on. Don Cherry's ego has become bigger than the game. He has become a needless sideshow who spent too much time talking about anything but hockey. When he does talk hockey, it is too much about his boys, 'God love Tie, and Kirkie, and Killer.'

Move aside old man and make room for Kelly Hrudy. It has been refreshing wfor the past couple of years watching Hrudy develop his skill as a broadcaster. Never making himself bigger than the game, (never feeling he had to), offering insight and respectful commentary about today's NHL. Making his point without yelling his point or opinion.

I used to love Don Cherry. However for too many years he has just seemed redundant like a tail on humans.

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I hear ya b-e-l, but as much as I like Kelly Hrudey's input most of the time I'm not looking forward to the hnic broadcasters debating their "leave it to beaver" vs "little house on the prairie" ideals. It will get old fast.

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I hear ya b-e-l, but as much as I like Kelly Hrudey's input most of the time I'm not looking forward to the hnic broadcasters debating their "leave it to beaver" vs "little house on the prairie" ideals. It will get old fast.

I agree. I don't want to see the pendulum swing too far the other way where we get just warm, fuzzy 'Little House on the Prairie' commentary. But right now Kelly Hrudy stands out for being insightful and just a heck of a nice guy.

I'd love to see Paul Maurice also get an opportunity if he doesn't soon land another NHL job. He is great - awesome sense of humour, great knowledge of the game, and a very good communicator.

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I don't think you're right about the stats on Ont born players wearing visors Dawg, between the Quebecois, Euros and Ontarians that's about 70% of the league. If it's true it's the first I've heard of it.
That leaves 30% for Americans and Western Canadians... sounds about right to me, either way, it's in the link I provided. Don't forget, that there are only 2 other places to draw from, which are Western Canada and the States, with the States accounting for roughly 20% and W.C. for roughly 10%.

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