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07-07-2008, 09:42 PM
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NOOOOOOOO, Oh my god, I was saying that I hope Demitra was going to get Huselius money, so sorry for the misunderstanding.
Okay that makes more sense. Will concede that point. Would prefer a cheaper and shorter term contract but I'd also prefer Jessica Alba. NHLLine and almost every other rumour site is complete garbage. Fun garbage but garbage none the less.

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you hope it would be 4 years?...wow.....2 would be good...3..pushing it...4...outrageous
Hes only 33, and was on pace for around 70 points playing for a defensive system (much like Vancouver) 4 years isn't outrageous, Im willing to bet atleast 3 of those years he would be able to produce.

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07-07-2008, 09:44 PM
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Hes only 33, and was on pace for around 70 points playing for a defensive system (much like Vancouver) 4 years isn't outrageous, Im willing to bet atleast 3 of those years he would be able to produce.
He's pretty much the same as Naslund who got a 2 year deal worth for million each. That's what I consider a fair contract.

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2 years is plenty

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If we sign Sundin as well, we have one HELLuva top line:

Demitra-Sundin-Bernier

A great second line:

Sedin-Sedin-Raymond

A solid 3rd scoring line:

Pyatt-Wellwood-Pettinger

A great 4th line for shutdown minutes:

Johnson-Kesler-Burrows

Also have a goon to protect our skill guys (Hordichuk) and some depth players like Rypien,Cowan,Shannon and Jaffray

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07-07-2008, 09:52 PM
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I would argue Demitra has been playing at a level above Naslund for the last couple of years. I don't see Demitra as a lateral move at all. Pavol is much more creative with the puck, miles better on the PP and most importantly, makes his linemates better.

Naslund's production may not have been far behind but IMO he was dragging down virtually every line he was on. Check that, every line.

2 years is as big a commitment I think we'll be willing to make. Hopefully anyways. 2 years-$8mil.

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He's pretty much the same as Naslund who got a 2 year deal worth for million each. That's what I consider a fair contract.
Demitra is much better then Naslund, before this year, the past year he was around a PPG player, and the year before he was averaging over a PPG.

Nazzy hasn't hit 65 points playing healthy since the WCE, big difference.

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Those wouldn't be the lines...

Top-2 lines are still very much up in the air but the bottom six wouldn't be hard to figure out.

Burrows-Kesler-Pyatt
Pettinger-Johnson-Hordichuk

Wellwood is a contingency plan/PP specialist. He has a lot of work to do to become a regular again.

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I would argue Demitra has been playing at a level above Naslund for the last couple of years. I don't see Demitra as a lateral move at all. Pavol is much more creative with the puck, miles better on the PP and most importantly, makes his linemates better.

Naslund's production may not have been far behind but IMO he was dragging down virtually every line he was on. Check that, every line.

2 years is as big a commitment I think we'll be willing to make. Hopefully anyways. 2 years-$8mil.
The Multi-year deal usually means 3 doesn't it?

Even 3 years of Demitra would be awesome.

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Those wouldn't be the lines...

Top-2 lines are still very much up in the air but the bottom six wouldn't be hard to figure out.

Burrows-Kesler-Pyatt
Pettinger-Johnson-Hordichuk

Wellwood is a contingency plan/PP specialist. He has a lot of work to do to become a regular again.
Id play him anyday over Hordichuk, Hordichuk we can use in intense games againt the Flames,Wild etc.

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Demitra is much better then Naslund, before this year, the past year he was around a PPG player, and the year before he was averaging over a PPG.

Nazzy hasn't hit 65 points playing healthy since the WCE, big difference.
Injuries and age have done the same thing to him as they have done to Naslund. He is not "much" better. He is marginally better and has played with Gaborik the last two seasons. I'll be surprised if he gets over 3 years and over 4 million per year.

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While on the topic of Demitra, can someone please clarify something for me. People always say that Demitra is injury-prone and misses too many games. Well, I was just looking at his stats, http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php3?pid=1325, and since 2001-2002 (6 NHL seasons), he has played 68 games or more each season, with the exception of 2005-2006 when he played 58. While not an exceptional record, he has played 425 out of 492 games in those 6 years, or 86.38% of the possible games.

So my question is, would most people consider that a lot of games to miss, or are some posters just going on general perception when they say Demitra is too injury-prone? I should add that I am referencing CDC posters as much as HF posters, butI have seen the comment made on both.
He's not that bad, but I just remember whoever he lines up with also rubs off on his bad mojo hahaha. You cannot discount the one season he missed significant time though. Anyways, post lockout, he's due to miss 1 out of every 5 games. he's good for around 55-65 games and around 50-60 points if he signs with us. With a defensive system and loads of travel that seems a likely scenario.

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07-07-2008, 09:58 PM
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If we sign Sundin as well, we have one HELLuva top line:

Demitra-Sundin-Bernier

A great second line:

Sedin-Sedin-Raymond

A solid 3rd scoring line:

Pyatt-Wellwood-Pettinger

A great 4th line for shutdown minutes:

Johnson-Kesler-Burrows

Also have a goon to protect our skill guys (Hordichuk) and some depth players like Rypien,Cowan,Shannon and Jaffray
Kesler on your 4th line? Raymond with the twins? You slot Bernier in next to the twins and let Sundin centre Raymond and Demitra...thats like two first lines. I just dont know where Wellwood fits in all of this...maybe a 4th liner powerplay specialist.

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07-07-2008, 10:00 PM
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Id play him anyday over Hordichuk, Hordichuk we can use in intense games againt the Flames,Wild etc.
3 of the 4 center positions are set. Sedin, Kesler, and Johnson. Johnson wasn't signed to play anything other than 4th line centre. He's the faceoff specialist that the team has lacked since Mats Lindgren. If Wellwood isn't playing centre he's useless. Not strong enough to handle the boards and playing him with 4th liners isn't using him to his strengths.

Another poster pointed something out to me that made a lot of sense. "Hordichuk didn't sign a three year contract to sit on the bench half of the time". I expect to see Hordichuk almost every game barring someone outplays him in training camp. Until then we have no way to evaluate players other than past performances. Based on that Wellwood is a healthy scratch and Hordichuk plays RW on the 4th line.

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I'd say $7 million over 2 years for Demitra. That way, his contract expires when Sundins and Luongos does. We'll have mega cap space and the ability to match any offer for Luongo (if it's about money) as well as retool if need be.

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While on the topic of Demitra, can someone please clarify something for me. People always say that Demitra is injury-prone and misses too many games. Well, I was just looking at his stats, http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php3?pid=1325, and since 2001-2002 (6 NHL seasons), he has played 68 games or more each season, with the exception of 2005-2006 when he played 58. While not an exceptional record, he has played 425 out of 492 games in those 6 years, or 86.38% of the possible games.

So my question is, would most people consider that a lot of games to miss, or are some posters just going on general perception when they say Demitra is too injury-prone? I should add that I am referencing CDC posters as much as HF posters, butI have seen the comment made on both.
I might be wrong....but I seem to recall reading on the Kings board (not necessary here but on another board) about Demitra not exactly the one who would play thru an injury.

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07-07-2008, 10:11 PM
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Another poster pointed something out to me that made a lot of sense. "Hordichuk didn't sign a three year contract to sit on the bench half of the time". I expect to see Hordichuk almost every game barring someone outplays him in training camp. Until then we have no way to evaluate players other than past performances. Based on that Wellwood is a healthy scratch and Hordichuk plays RW on the 4th line.
I don't know why people are hyping hordichuk so much. Sure he's excited to play here, but he's never been a regular nhler his entire career. The last 4 seasons his ice time average is, 6:46, 6:09, 4:48 and 5:09. I don't see him playing close to every game next season.

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Demitra is injury-prone in a way that he's almost guaranteed to miss 10-15 games a year. The only good thing is that he's consistent and usually doesn't miss any more than that,

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The Multi-year deal usually means 3 doesn't it?

Even 3 years of Demitra would be awesome.
As far as I know, multi means more than one.

I can't see Demitra getting a contract such as Huselius. Huseless is four years younger and has put up better numbers his last two seasons. Demitra has also been on a bit of a decline the past few seasons and has missed 49 games over the past three seasons. I think a two year deal, maybe 3, at $4.25M per is more than fair.

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Re: Wellwood.
Wasn't his QO a 2-way deal?
In which case he can stay around in Manitoba until there is an injury. Work on his conditioning by playing top line minutes.

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wellwood will play top six, it's some what disappointing that hansen and raymond aren't provided with a slot on the team. It's gone to Wellwood instead. Righly so, in terms of talent. And it be sooner rather than later, we find out if wellwood can secure a spot. Still Raymond is deserving a spot from his performance last season, but might have to earn it. Very likely he will roatate between the second and third line.

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I don't know why people are hyping hordichuk so much. Sure he's excited to play here, but he's never been a regular nhler his entire career. The last 4 seasons his ice time average is, 6:46, 6:09, 4:48 and 5:09. I don't see him playing close to every game next season.
People are "hyping" Hordichuk because he fills a huge hole in the lineup. The team has been trying to fill the role with guys like Cowan and it just hasn't worked. To get a guy who legitimately fits the enforcer role is fantastic. I actually don't think he needs to play more than 5-6 minutes a game and maybe 60 games a year to be a very important addition. But this is way off the thread topic...

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Very likely he will roatate between the second and third line.
Hansen would be a better for the 3rd line than Raymond.

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well Hansen has to earn it......1 point in 15 NHL games is not going to just give him a spot

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wellwood will play top six, it's some what disappointing that hansen and raymond aren't provided with a slot on the team. It's gone to Wellwood instead. Righly so, in terms of talent. And it be sooner rather than later, we find out if wellwood can secure a spot. Still Raymond is deserving a spot from his performance last season, but might have to earn it. Very likely he will roatate between the second and third line.
Nobody is provided with a slot on the team except vets like Luongo, the Sedins, Ohlund, etc. Guys like Wellwood, Hansen, Raymond have to earn their spots.

Plus Wellwood plays centre, while Hansen and Raymond are wingers. So even if he were being given a spot, he isn't taking one away from them.

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