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07-06-2008, 06:35 PM
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As much as the kid line was the best thing about this team last season, I'd love to see Cogliano center the so-called "3rd line" and be more like a Todd Marchant with hands type of player. I just can't see Cole at $4M a season playing 3rd line minutes.
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07-06-2008, 06:43 PM
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I don't think Cogs is going to get moved just cause we want to have Cole sit pretty on the top line for 1 year of UFA.

In the near future, Cogs is probably most likely to be dealt, thanks to his age and potential. I could see him getting moved, but it's going to have to be for another solid star in a package deal.
Ugh, I hope not. He's one of the few very good draft choices we've made in quite a while. Fast, young and clutch. I'd prefer to see him stick around for a long time.

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07-06-2008, 07:12 PM
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That's what I said. We really do have an influx of top-6 forwards, I don't know why we had to add another one. Unless Cogliano's ready to play those shutdown minutes, I don't see any other way of breaking it down unless we do this:

Penner Horcoff Hemsky
Cole Gagner Nilsson (penner and cole are interchangeable)
Moreau Brodziak Pisani
Schremp Cogliano Pouliot (offensive 4th line)
So first we have to many checkers and now we have an influx of top six forwards?? I don't get it? It's almost as annoying as listening to people yell "SHOOT!" when the oilers are trying to set up a friggin powerplay. The lines will play themselves out. You can never have too many options up front!

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yeah so what if we have 12 top 6 forwards that we can afford, thats a very good problem to have

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07-06-2008, 08:45 PM
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I think Lowe wants to build a team around the Buffalo Sabres model (the 06 to 07 Sabres, not the current sucky version).

Seriously, what made those teams successful:
1. Speed
2. Depth of scoring up front/ not relying on one superstar
3. Deep, mobile blueline with skill.

Lowe really focused on #3 last off-season and has continued that this year, while also making #2 a priority this summer. This is Edmonton so #1 was never an issue, although Lowe looks to be making his team bigger than Buffalo was (I know the Oilers aren't huge, but he did go hard after guys like Penner and Cole).

Hopefully, Lowe can manage the cap a little better.

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07-06-2008, 10:49 PM
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He is trying to build a Stanley Cup Champion, unlike some other division rivals.

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Hopefully he would be 'going with the flow' and giving room to Little Al' and Sammy.

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As much as the kid line was the best thing about this team last season, I'd love to see Cogliano center the so-called "3rd line" and be more like a Todd Marchant with hands type of player. I just can't see Cole at $4M a season playing 3rd line minutes.

The Todd Marchant days were fun.

Anyone remember "Me and My Shadow" - in the 97 playoffs, shadowing Mike Modano to perfection.

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07-06-2008, 11:03 PM
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I think Lowe is pretty much throwing a bucket of spaghetti against the wall and seeing what sticks.

I do not think he will last as GM much longer, tops 2 years...Katz is a very aggressive individual and will do what it takes to make the Oilers better.

Lowe will be given the boot, when the Oilers have another sub-par season under him.


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I think Lowe is pretty much throwing a bucket of spaghetti against the wall and seeing what sticks.

I do not think he will last as GM much longer, tops 2 years...Katz is a very aggressive individual and will do what it takes to make the Oilers better.

Lowe will be given the boot, when the Oilers have another sub-par season under him.


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i really dont understand why a troll with 13 posts is allowed to be here still

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i really dont understand why a troll with 13 posts is allowed to be here still
He's anti-Oilers and will always bash the Oilers. He was BleedOrange on the SN message board and got banned.

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He's anti-Oilers and will always bash the Oilers. He was BleedOrange on the SN message board and got banned.
Really??!!

He was brutal on the SN board...but not as bad as a few Oiler fans over there.

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07-07-2008, 07:45 AM
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If I didn't know any better it looks like Lowe is putting together the team he inherited back in 2000 whether it's by accident, luck or fate. We've got a Doug Weight in Gagner, a Ryan Smyth in Cole. Hemsky isthe new Geurin. Marchant in Cogliano we've got a Niinimaa in Vishnovsky, Poti replaced by Gilbert, Stortini replaces Grier. Lowe has seen that puck moving is back in vogue, so the "Coke machine drafting" (LT's phrase, and a good one too) has been revisited and changed towards more skill, the hell with size.

One could argue that Lowe might've felt a bit guilty for breaking up the team he inherited in 2000 due to fiscal restraints and is trying to put it back together. It'd be a poor argument and would be easily shouted down, but I think there would be a small grain of truth to it. That 2000 team in the new NHL wouldn't be too small to compete these days. It's defence wasn't great, but it looks like he's addressing that weakness and there are worse templates to build from.

Here's the full 2000 roster at a glance. You folks can probably see more resemblances than I can.

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  Player Name      Birthdate   Age   Pos.   GP   G   A   Pts   PIM   GP   G   A   Pts   PIM   
39 Doug Weight  1971-01-21 28 C 77 21 51 72 54 5 3 2 5 4 
94 Ryan Smyth  1976-02-21 23 L 82 28 26 54 58 5 1 0 1 6 
29 Alexander Selivanov  1971-03-23 28 L 67 27 20 47 46 5 0 0 0 8 
9 Bill Guerin  1970-11-09 28 R 70 24 22 46 123 5 3 2 5 9 
22 Roman Hamrlik  1974-04-12 25 D 80 8 37 45 68 5 0 1 1 4 
26 Todd Marchant  1973-08-12 26 L 82 17 23 40 70 3 1 0 1 2 
5 Tom Poti  1977-03-22 22 D 76 9 26 35 65 5 0 1 1 0 
44 Janne Niinimaa  1975-05-22 24 D 81 8 25 33 89 5 0 2 2 2 
25 Mike Grier  1975-01-05 24 R 65 9 22 31 68 -- -- -- -- -- 
18 Ethan Moreau  1975-09-22 23 L 73 17 10 27 62 5 0 1 1 0 
19 Boyd Devereaux  1978-04-16 21 C 76 8 19 27 20 -- -- -- -- -- 
34 Jim Dowd  1968-12-25 30 C 69 5 18 23 45 5 2 1 3 4 
10 Pat Falloon To Pittsburgh 1972-09-22 26 R 33 5 13 18 4 -- -- -- -- -- 
20 Josef Beranek To Pittsburgh 1969-10-25 29 C 58 9 8 17 39 -- -- -- -- -- 
27 Georges Laraque  1976-12-07 22 L 76 8 8 16 123 5 0 1 1 6 
17 Rem Murray  1972-10-09 26 L 44 9 5 14 8 5 0 1 1 2 
21 Jason Smith  1973-11-02 25 D 80 3 11 14 60 5 0 1 1 4 
23 Sean Brown  1976-11-05 22 D 72 4 8 12 192 3 0 0 0 23 
37 Daniel Cleary  1978-12-18 20 L 17 3 2 5 8 4 0 1 1 2 
15 Chad Kilger  1976-11-27 22 C 40 3 2 5 18 3 0 0 0 0 
24 Christian Laflamme To Mtl. Canadiens 1976-11-24 22 D 50 0 5 5 32 -- -- -- -- -- 
13 German Titov From Pittsburgh 1965-10-18 33 C 7 0 4 4 4 5 1 1 2 0 
14 Bert Robertsson  1974-06-30 25 D 52 0 4 4 34 5 0 0 0 0 
47 Paul Comrie  1977-02-07 22 C 15 1 2 3 4 -- -- -- -- -- 
2
55 Igor Ulanov From Mtl. Canadiens 1969-10-01 29 D 14 0 3 3 10 5 0 0 0 6 
2 Brett Hauer  1971-07-11 28 D 5 0 2 2 2 -- -- -- -- -- 
35 Tommy Salo  1971-02-01 28 G 70 0 1 1 8 5 0 0 0 2 
 Mike Minard  1976-11-01 22 G 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- 
12 Michel Picard  1969-10-07 29 L 2 0 0 0 2 -- -- -- -- -- 
33 Dan LaCouture  1977-04-18 22 L 5 0 0 0 10 1 0 0 0 0 
10 Kevin Brown  1974-05-11 25 R 7 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 
30 Bill Ranford  1966-12-14 32 G 16 0 0 0


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07-07-2008, 08:04 AM
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If I didn't know any better it looks like Lowe is putting together the team he inherited back in 2000 whether it's by accident, luck or fate. We've got a Doug Weight in Gagner, a Ryan Smyth in Cole. Hemsky isthe new Geurin. Marchant in Cogliano we've got a Niinimaa in Vishnovsky, Poti replaced by Gilbert, Stortini replaces Grier. Lowe has seen that puck moving is back in vogue, so the "Coke machine drafting" (LT's phrase, and a good one too) has been revisited and changed towards more skill, the hell with size.

One could argue that Lowe might've felt a bit guilty for breaking up the team he inherited in 2000 due to fiscal restraints and is trying to put it back together. It'd be a poor argument and would be easily shouted down, but I think there would be a small grain of truth to it. That 2000 team in the new NHL wouldn't be too small to compete these days. It's defence wasn't great, but it looks like he's addressing that weakness and there are worse templates to build from.

Here's the full 2000 roster at a glance. You folks can probably see more resemblances than I can.

Code:
  Player Name      Birthdate   Age   Pos.   GP   G   A   Pts   PIM   GP   G   A   Pts   PIM   
39 Doug Weight  1971-01-21 28 C 77 21 51 72 54 5 3 2 5 4 
94 Ryan Smyth  1976-02-21 23 L 82 28 26 54 58 5 1 0 1 6 
29 Alexander Selivanov  1971-03-23 28 L 67 27 20 47 46 5 0 0 0 8 
9 Bill Guerin  1970-11-09 28 R 70 24 22 46 123 5 3 2 5 9 
22 Roman Hamrlik  1974-04-12 25 D 80 8 37 45 68 5 0 1 1 4 
26 Todd Marchant  1973-08-12 26 L 82 17 23 40 70 3 1 0 1 2 
5 Tom Poti  1977-03-22 22 D 76 9 26 35 65 5 0 1 1 0 
44 Janne Niinimaa  1975-05-22 24 D 81 8 25 33 89 5 0 2 2 2 
25 Mike Grier  1975-01-05 24 R 65 9 22 31 68 -- -- -- -- -- 
18 Ethan Moreau  1975-09-22 23 L 73 17 10 27 62 5 0 1 1 0 
19 Boyd Devereaux  1978-04-16 21 C 76 8 19 27 20 -- -- -- -- -- 
34 Jim Dowd  1968-12-25 30 C 69 5 18 23 45 5 2 1 3 4 
10 Pat Falloon To Pittsburgh 1972-09-22 26 R 33 5 13 18 4 -- -- -- -- -- 
20 Josef Beranek To Pittsburgh 1969-10-25 29 C 58 9 8 17 39 -- -- -- -- -- 
27 Georges Laraque  1976-12-07 22 L 76 8 8 16 123 5 0 1 1 6 
17 Rem Murray  1972-10-09 26 L 44 9 5 14 8 5 0 1 1 2 
21 Jason Smith  1973-11-02 25 D 80 3 11 14 60 5 0 1 1 4 
23 Sean Brown  1976-11-05 22 D 72 4 8 12 192 3 0 0 0 23 
37 Daniel Cleary  1978-12-18 20 L 17 3 2 5 8 4 0 1 1 2 
15 Chad Kilger  1976-11-27 22 C 40 3 2 5 18 3 0 0 0 0 
24 Christian Laflamme To Mtl. Canadiens 1976-11-24 22 D 50 0 5 5 32 -- -- -- -- -- 
13 German Titov From Pittsburgh 1965-10-18 33 C 7 0 4 4 4 5 1 1 2 0 
14 Bert Robertsson  1974-06-30 25 D 52 0 4 4 34 5 0 0 0 0 
47 Paul Comrie  1977-02-07 22 C 15 1 2 3 4 -- -- -- -- -- 
2
55 Igor Ulanov From Mtl. Canadiens 1969-10-01 29 D 14 0 3 3 10 5 0 0 0 6 
2 Brett Hauer  1971-07-11 28 D 5 0 2 2 2 -- -- -- -- -- 
35 Tommy Salo  1971-02-01 28 G 70 0 1 1 8 5 0 0 0 2 
 Mike Minard  1976-11-01 22 G 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- 
12 Michel Picard  1969-10-07 29 L 2 0 0 0 2 -- -- -- -- -- 
33 Dan LaCouture  1977-04-18 22 L 5 0 0 0 10 1 0 0 0 0 
10 Kevin Brown  1974-05-11 25 R 7 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 
30 Bill Ranford  1966-12-14 32 G 16 0 0 0
I strongly disagree, this team is much more talented then that team. It's not close actually.

He's trying to build a fast team with alot of skill.

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07-07-2008, 08:33 AM
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I strongly disagree, this team is much more talented then that team. It's not close actually.

He's trying to build a fast team with alot of skill.
Yep, it's definitley better than the 2000 one for sure. That team wasn't exactly sluggish though. I think we're on the same page here actually.

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He's trying to play to the strengths of the coaching staff, specifically MacT and Huddy.

MacT's strengths:

Penalty Kill
Shot Blocking
Team Defense
Rounding out players' defensive games

Huddy's strengths:

Bench Managements (hiding bad d pairings)
Reviving Defensemen (Staios, Smith, etc.)
Teaching how to defend (for d-men)

So if our coaches can add this to the table, why not give him players who excel at the aspects that they are not as well suited to teach:

Powerplay skill
Natural talent
Offensive creativity

Then, he also seems to be going for three other 'x-factors':

Speed
Smarts (high IQ)
Character (will to win, leadership)

They seem to be making a distinct effort to acquire (via draft/trade) players that are college bound/graduates or players that were CHL scholastic players as well as players who have been captains of their previous teams (be it junior, college or international tournaments).

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07-07-2008, 10:16 AM
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Yep, it's definitley better than the 2000 one for sure. That team wasn't exactly sluggish though. I think we're on the same page here actually.
I don't know, Selivanov, Beranek and Brown weren't speedy, but I see what you're saying and I agree, we are on the same page.

I'm really happy with the way this team is coming together.

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I do not care if you talk Negatively about the Flames but I just want to know what the Oilers will be like compared to last season team and what will defined the Oilers to where people talk about the Oilers they say the identity of the team.
Im thinking it's more of a Detroit puck possession style with more speed, call it a Detroit/Buffalo 06' hybrid model. Fast puck possession.

Look no further then the defense. Can all skate it out of the zone well with the exception of our 2 oldies (S+S). Great passers and can gain the zone with the puck(Gilbert, Smid, Grebs, Visnovsky). The look at the forwards, on every line there is a talented stick handler who can lug the puck up ice to gain the zone with out dumping it in. (Hemsky, Horcoff, Gagner, Nilsson, Penner, Brodziak etc.).

The team is fast, each line with a player who has far above average wheels (Hemsky, Horcs, Cogliano, Moreau, Brodziak, Brule). All of those players can control the puck at those speeds too.

The obvious weakness on this team is size and muscle, the grit is there but the size isn't. They will dominate on special teams so opposing coaches might tell their guys to avoid the box, hopefully that lessens the cheap shots and lets the team utilize their speed.

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07-07-2008, 12:36 PM
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Curtis Glencross(25) - Pencilled in on the fourth line in Edmonton (and unlikely to unseat Moreau, much less Nilsson, Cole, or Penner. Good player, could get top six minutes in Calgary.

I think GlenX as a top-6 forward says everything about the Flames depth. The Oilers have 9 or 10 forwards who could get 20 goals - thats the type of team that Lowe is building.

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...This past season Lowe has traded Jarret Stoll, Matt Greene for for Visnosky (supposedly doesn't want to be an Oiler) and ....
I don't know where this comes from either... All I got from the interview was that (1) he was shocked at the deal because he had a NTC set to come in, (2) he desperately wants to play for a playoff team... and (3) his english sucks. The way the Oil is going, he should get his wish for point no. 2. They will compete this year and his contributions offensively should help pave the way.

Love Lowe or hate him, he's aggressive and making moves to try and improve the team. I'd love to see Havlat in Oiler silks (glass or not), or a good shut-down type D-man in one last deal by KLowe before the season.

We're a much improved team on paper. If we can finally have a healthy year, I'd love to see what the mix of our vets and youth can do in the NW. I'm optimistic and looking forward to the season!

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