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07-07-2008, 03:27 PM
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They're not done...

just impossible to tell what they're looking to do. I still don't see where Prucha plays on next season's team. He's both a bargaining chip, and a guy who's taking up salary. I see Drury on the left side of the first PP unit. It's from where he scores lots of goals and makes sense. After him, there are others including Dawes. So I don't see Dawes fitting in. I'm not exactly sure if Hollweg fits in anymore either. Not a big deal, but it's still some trimming. Can they get an asset for Prucha? Packaged with someone else, perhaps.

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07-07-2008, 03:39 PM
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i think maybe a trade involving Prucha. Who knows what Slats has in mind. Never a dull moment in Ranger land.

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07-07-2008, 03:44 PM
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Gonna be tough to unload players at this point, specifically Prucha, because the team the Rangers are dealing with know that they want to get rid of some cap space and Pruchas hit is a tad high IMO, even though he has scored 30. I think the book is out on him regardless. Whatever the Rangers are looking for, dont be surprised if they have to overpay to do it, because they've painted themselves in a corner so to speak. Thats the danger you run into when you are a spending club in a capped salary system.

But lets back up a second.

The Rangers have to be careful with this next move because not only do they have to resign Dawes, Sjostrom and Fritsche - But they have 7 RFA's next summer. Even if you figure a few get extensions in the second half of next year, you are talking about some pretty decent players you have to pay.

Zherdev
Dubinsky
Callahan
Prucha

Hollweg (should be gone, no consequence)
Byers (minor deal)
Potter (who knows, if he becomes the the 7th man, could be more valuable than the second part of this list)

If the top four on that list have good years, they all could command over 1 a year, not to mention Dubinsky and Zherdev, who if they build on their previous seasons could command even more.

I hope the Rangers "capologist" has a long term plan as well - because the following year the Rangers have to lock up Staal and Girardi, who at that point might be the rocks of the defense.

Sooner or later, these kids the Rangers have bred through the system have to be paid. Will they have the room?

I think if the Rangers have the chance to get a legit top 6 winger at the expense of Dubinsky, Callahan or Prucha (or Korpokoski, Anisimov, etc.) they might take it. The key to that deal is what kind of contract are they getting back and what they are eligible for and in what year. It might be better for them to lay back and sign the homegrown talent then go after an O'Sullivan type that could command the same amount for Dubinsky, Cally and Prucha combined.

This is where it gets interesting, and we will see what Sather does. I also think something has to be done to improve the top 6 on the wing, and it might make sense to do it now, rather than wait till the deadline.

It wont be easy. Having a good prospect pool and kids jumping to the NHL level is a bit of a double edge sword. You love the fact that you have these guys gutting it out to make the team and being paid under a million to boot - but lets be honest, Prucha, Dubinsky, Callahan, Girardi and Dawes were all good prospects, but it can be argued they have all overachieved in a sense. When the Cherepanovs and Anisimovs and Korpedos come up theyll have to be paid as well.

These are good problems to have, because you have built resources to help your team. But with the logjam of players in the lower lines you ned to pick and choose and it becomes quite a daunting task. The players are there to be moved for the Rangers and im interested to see what theyll do.


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07-07-2008, 03:46 PM
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just impossible to tell what they're looking to do. I still don't see where Prucha plays on next season's team. He's both a bargaining chip, and a guy who's taking up salary. I see Drury on the left side of the first PP unit. It's from where he scores lots of goals and makes sense. After him, there are others including Dawes. So I don't see Dawes fitting in. I'm not exactly sure if Hollweg fits in anymore either. Not a big deal, but it's still some trimming. Can they get an asset for Prucha? Packaged with someone else, perhaps.
Not sure how Prucha does'tn fit........to me he is on the second line
......combos can change but

Naslund, Gomez, Zherdev
Dawes, Drury, Prucha
Fritsche, Dubinsky, Callahan
Rissmiller, Betts, Sjostrom
Voros , Orr

Redden , Staal
Kalinen, Rozsival
Mara, Girardi
Pock

Lundqvist
Valliquette

Of course there are others like Moore, Hollweg, Korpikoski, Parentau, Byers, Aminisev, Potter,etc............but they can all go to Hartford if need be

Sure they may do a 2 forwards for one top 6/bigger winger but if not whatever

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07-07-2008, 04:18 PM
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Not sure how Prucha does'tn fit........to me he is on the second line
......combos can change but

Naslund, Gomez, Zherdev
Dawes, Drury, Prucha
Fritsche, Dubinsky, Callahan
Rissmiller, Betts, Sjostrom
Voros , Orr

Redden , Staal
Kalinen, Rozsival
Mara, Girardi
Pock

Lundqvist
Valliquette

Of course there are others like Moore, Hollweg, Korpikoski, Parentau, Byers, Aminisev, Potter,etc............but they can all go to Hartford if need be

Sure they may do a 2 forwards for one top 6/bigger winger but if not whatever
I wouldnt say whatever, it would definitely help if they could replace Prucha with a bigger forward who can score and set up plays.

But i like your third line.

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07-07-2008, 04:21 PM
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Not sure how Prucha does'tn fit........to me he is on the second line
......combos can change but

Naslund, Gomez, Zherdev
Dawes, Drury, Prucha
Fritsche, Dubinsky, Callahan
Rissmiller, Betts, Sjostrom
Voros , Orr

Redden , Staal
Kalinen, Rozsival
Mara, Girardi
Pock

Lundqvist
Valliquette

Of course there are others like Moore, Hollweg, Korpikoski, Parentau, Byers, Aminisev, Potter,etc............but they can all go to Hartford if need be

Sure they may do a 2 forwards for one top 6/bigger winger but if not whatever
That second line, with Prucha, is a disaster.

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07-07-2008, 05:17 PM
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That second line, with Prucha, is a disaster.

That's what I thought when I saw it.

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07-07-2008, 05:29 PM
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We saw that last season...

and it wasn't good at all. Prucha with Dubi and Cally was good, however.

But I still see Prucha as an odd man out. I think he will have diminished PP time once again, and Prucha doesn't do well when he doesn't get that kind of playing time. Also, I don't see Voros not in the lineup, which could push some players up, and I'm not sure if Korps is completely shutout out of a spot going into camp, or Byers for that matter. Perhaps we should wait to see the next moves, which could be minor, but it will determine who will be here in camp.

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07-07-2008, 05:30 PM
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and it wasn't good at all. Prucha with Dubi and Cally was good, however.

But I still see Prucha as an odd man out. I think he will have diminished PP time once again, and Prucha doesn't do well when he doesn't get that kind of playing time. Also, I don't see Voros not in the lineup, which could push some players up, and I'm not sure if Korps is completely shutout out of a spot going into camp, or Byers for that matter. Perhaps we should wait to see the next moves, which could be minor, but it will determine who will be here in camp.
i would love to see prucha regain his old form and net 25-30 goals but his time is done and we need to move on

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07-07-2008, 05:36 PM
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i would love to see prucha regain his old form and net 25-30 goals but his time is done and we need to move on
The chances of that happening with Jagr gone are slim to none. Lets face it, Prucha rode a superhuman Jagr to 2 very good seasons.

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07-07-2008, 06:16 PM
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I dont think we are finished, this man always has a plan


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just wondering-did jason smith sign yet with anyone?

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just wondering-did jason smith sign yet with anyone?
Theres a rumor going around that he's close to signing with the Lightning.

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just wondering-did jason smith sign yet with anyone?
we don't have a roster spot. And the cap is tight too.

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07-07-2008, 07:55 PM
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i was just thinking that he'd be a good physical stay at home defenseman since we still don't have a 7th(i'm not saying that he'd be the seventh defenseman and even if we got him, i don't know who u'd make the 7th d-man instead because we just signed 4guys, and the two we didn't have to sign were girardi and staal, who obviously are gonna get plenty of ice time). wasn't sure how much he was looking to get, but i thought that someone was saying we'd have about $4million depending on who doesn't make the team so i was just wondering.

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2 (potentially) interesting trade scenarios:

TB- Jussi Jokenin
SJ - Kyle McLaren

Both look to be the odd man out in their respective situations...anyone think we bite?

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Theres a rumor going around that he's close to signing with the Lightning.
The way they have been lately, I think everybody is close to signing with the Lightning.

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2 (potentially) interesting trade scenarios:

TB- Jussi Jokenin
SJ - Kyle McLaren

Both look to be the odd man out in their respective situations...anyone think we bite?
I think we are done with defenseman.

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07-08-2008, 10:49 AM
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2 (potentially) interesting trade scenarios:

TB- Jussi Jokenin
SJ - Kyle McLaren

Both look to be the odd man out in their respective situations...anyone think we bite?
i like jussi jokenin...good player with some playmaking abilities and is clutch in shootouts as well.....but all depends who we deal lol as always

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2 (potentially) interesting trade scenarios:

TB- Jussi Jokenin
SJ - Kyle McLaren

Both look to be the odd man out in their respective situations...anyone think we bite?
Jokinen, maybe.

As for McLaren, I think we're done on the blue line unless its a 7th d-man. McLaren makes too much for that spot. However, he would be absolutely ridiculous to have.


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Agreed, we are.

One legit top 6 scorer and a 7th defenseman and the roster is more or less complete.

VERMETTE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I almost long for the days when you were screaming for Ryder non-stop.

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I still think they're going to lie in wait until some star goal scorer (Kovalchuk?) decides he wants out and then throw together a monster package for him.

Wishful thinking? Yes, but I think it's a very real possibility.

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I still think they're going to lie in wait until some star goal scorer (Kovalchuk?) decides he wants out and then throw together a monster package for him.

Wishful thinking? Yes, but I think it's a very real possibility.
Unless we're packaging Rozisval or Drury in there, I think you can cross that off your list of possibilities.

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