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07-08-2008, 05:01 PM
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Hahaha. Nicely done by St. Louis. Can't really complain. We'll match, no problem, just like they did. Live by the sword ...

Is a bit of a pain in the ass if this is only a one-year deal and we'll have to sign him again next summer.

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Best move in the history of the NHL if you ask me !

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Why did Bernier sign it?
Probably because it's more than the Canucks were offerring and shorter term. He might understand the he's being slotted to get top-line minutes and could get a lot by playing with the Sedins and doesn't want to limit his salary options at this point. There is also no allegiance to the team. No comradary amongst the players. Odds are he's barely talked to the GM and a few others within the organization.

What this does do is screw up the salary structure for next year. 3 important RFAs (Krajicek, Edler, and Bernier) to resign and two of them are arbitration eligible (Bernier and Krajicek)*.


*I may be wrong on Bernier being arbitration eligible.

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a GREAT move by STL. I have a lot of respect for this. Burke can learn a lesson in class and fair play.

1 year deal is terrible for the Canucks. If Bernier rips it up, they are paying for it, if he doesnt, they have to QO at 2.5m.

Brilliant move STL, touche.

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i don't know why...Gillis didn't take care of this already

*** were u doing!

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Do the Blues have any other RFA's?

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Why did Bernier sign it?
Why not? It was probably more than the Canucks were offering. He doesn't owe anything to them.

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it would be a 2nd rounder in this next draft though.. so i guess i depends on what Gillis values more. I was expecting it to be a 2.5 deal anyway so i guess you can't complain to much.

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I can't recall ever liking another teams GM more than the Canucks GM ( well except for Keenan and Quinn ) but I love JD for this move. You think other GMs aren't picking up on this and having a good laugh ? Very cool move Mr. Davidson.

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It sucks because of the short term and we can't trade him (not that we'd want to) but can we not sign him to an extention at any time now??

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07-08-2008, 05:06 PM
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Get over yourself. Should Kesler be demoted to Manitoba for signing his offer sheet?

Turn around is fair play. Gillis should have known this was a likely occurrence as soon as he signed Backes. It's his own fault for not signing Bernier immediately after the trade.
The Kesler situation wasn't similar at all.

Bernier was just traded for, told he will be given a role in the top 6 and is a big part of the future with the organization. How does Bernier react? He signs a 1 year deal that he knows full well will piss off Gillis and Canuck management. If you think the Canucks brass aren't pissed off at Bernier right now you're wrong.

Ever heard of good faith? Players don't always sign offersheets put in front of them and this particular one will leave a bad taste in the mouth of everyone involved.

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Gillis must have been seriously low-balling Bernier and his agent, say 1.5M for one year or 4M over 2 years.

He is a free agent a RFA offers are just another negotiation tool for agents. Bernier just found the contract he wanted from another team. Everyone involved knows it's going to be matched but the Blues get a small bit of vengeance.

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What this does do is screw up the salary structure for next year. 3 important RFAs (Krajicek, Edler, and Bernier) to resign and two of them are arbitration eligible (Bernier and Krajicek)
Can't Gillis negotiate longterm extensions with any or all of these guys some time this season?

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Can't Gillis negotiate longterm extensions with any or all of these guys some time this season?
He can with Krajicek and Edler. Not sure about how it works with Bernier.

What I meant was Gillis probably wanted Bernier signed on a longer term deal. Instead he has to deal with him next year and, assuming he has factored in Sundin signing, shoehorning that increased (again assuming) dollar amount into the budget for next season. On top of that Ohlund, Daniel, Henrik, Burrows, Pettinger, and Pyatt need or may be resigned. Some of those guys will get raises. Messes with next seasons salary structure.

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Best move in the history of the NHL if you ask me !
Certainly the most amusing that I can remember. Welcome to the NHL MG. Does this qualify as a hazing ritual?

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He can with Krajicek and Edler. Not sure about how it works with Bernier.
Pretty sure he can, but I doubt that he starts negotiating now, especially with a starting salary of 2.5...if Bernier stinks it up, then it gives Gillis options.

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I believe you can't start negotiating with players who are on one year deals until January 1st.

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With Bernier at 2.5 and Demitra at 4, we can't afford to throw 10 at Sundin without going over the cap, can we?

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The Kesler situation wasn't similar at all.

Bernier was just traded for, told he will be given a role in the top 6 and is a big part of the future with the organization. How does Bernier react? He signs a 1 year deal that he knows full well will piss off Gillis and Canuck management. If you think the Canucks brass aren't pissed off at Bernier right now you're wrong.

Ever heard of good faith? Players don't always sign offersheets put in front of them and this particular one will leave a bad taste in the mouth of everyone involved.
Boo hoo hoo. Gillis should have signed Bernier earlier then. It's been how many days since the trade? It's his own fault. I'm sure the Blues told Bernier they'd give him first line icetime when they offered the contract as well, and that he'd be a big part of their future.

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He can with Krajicek and Edler. Not sure about how it works with Bernier.
Players on 1 year deals can't sign a new contract until after January 1st.

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Pretty sure he can, but I doubt that he starts negotiating now, especially with a starting salary of 2.5...if Bernier stinks it up, then it gives Gillis options.
Thanks, wasn't sure about the various rules that come with offer sheets.

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I believe you can't start negotiating with players who are on one year deals until January 1st.
I remember something along those lines as well. That's what usually holds up teams and players signing extensions.

Sidenote: People do realize that Pleau is still the GM right? Davidson may be the President and have major input in calling the shots but Pleau is still the guy doing this. They even hired someone to take over for Pleau when he retires (former Stars GM Armstrong).

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Why the **** would Bernier sign it. I would be pretty pissed at him if I was Gillis and the Canucks. Stick the kid on the 3rd line and keep his production to a minimum. Absolute garbage by Bernier if he signed it.
Why wouldn't he sign it? It likely gives him a higher salary then he might otherwise get on a one year deal by a significant degree and then if he has a good year he'll be free to negotiate a longer term deal worth more next summer.

It's simply business when a GM makes such an offer and it's simply business when a player signs it.

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With Bernier at 2.5 and Demitra at 4, we can't afford to throw 10 at Sundin without going over the cap, can we?
Yes we can. 16.569 in cap space as of today.

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The Kesler situation wasn't similar at all.

Bernier was just traded for, told he will be given a role in the top 6 and is a big part of the future with the organization. How does Bernier react? He signs a 1 year deal that he knows full well will piss off Gillis and Canuck management. If you think the Canucks brass aren't pissed off at Bernier right now you're wrong.

Ever heard of good faith? Players don't always sign offersheets put in front of them and this particular one will leave a bad taste in the mouth of everyone involved.
Maybe Gillis wasnt budging from 1.5 million. This is a million dollar raise for him and next year he's an RFA again. Who says he has to show any loyalty to Vancouver? He's been traded twice since the new year already it's possible he doesnt really want to play in Vancouver. Or maybe he's figured out that GM's in this business can be cut throat and he just wants to take whatever he can get.

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Boo hoo hoo. Gillis should have signed Bernier earlier then. It's been how many days since the trade? It's his own fault. I'm sure the Blues told Bernier they'd give him first line icetime when they offered the contract as well, and that he'd be a big part of their future.
Kind of begs the question....uhhh....did Gillis not try talking to the agent to get salary expectations BEFORE he traded for him. He was of course able to negotiate in advance. Wow. Just wow.

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