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07-09-2008, 02:42 PM
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I agree with this article 100 percent. What are your thoughts. At least this team will shoot the damn puck on the power play.

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Sean claimed he loved The Apple — and he sure could have made millions here in the world's center with a new pact — but chose to become by contrast, a Texas hick for a bit more.



Loved it. He writes pretty well too.

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he flip flopped.....dont like how he bashed jagr....the guy gave his everything to make this team respectable again and fisch kicks while he is down.......not very professional

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Not sure he really was bashing Jagr.

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Goodman, bristled at the word "Captain" and nearly choked on my words, "Jags will be back." Bob then proceeded to tell me that long before others got on JJ's case, he (Bob Goodman) zinged Jaromir at every opportunity. Naturally, I asked him why he was so hard on The Man. "Because," he shot back, "Jagr quit on the Penguins and then he quit on the Capitals. What kind of Rangers captain would refuse to take a Shootout, as he actually did? As captain, it was his obligation to at least TRY, and he didn't. You never would have caught Mark Messier pulling such a stunt."
If that is what you were referring to, he was quoting what his friend said in a conversation.

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No single player will rule the team, dictate its power play, insist on which player skates on whomever's line. It's Tom Renney's team and that IS important.
Most important thing in Fischler's article.

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Most important thing in Fischler's article.
The old man is very smart at times. Great article all around, if you ask me.

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07-09-2008, 04:35 PM
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As much as i hate to see Jagr go.

I have to admit, we have become much less predictable, as Renney him self has stated.

There is a completely different dynamic with this team, and no one really knows what that is exactly until we see it over a couple of months until we establish a new identity. No one really knows what to expect from them.

However, team offense and team defense seem to be the new mantra. Everything as a whole, not based on individuals.

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07-09-2008, 04:36 PM
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stan is a hack. i dont know why i even bother reading his stuff...while i agree with him in this particular article, i still think hes worthless, and never pay attention to anything he says generally.

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Most important thing in Fischler's article.
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No single player will rule the team, dictate its power play, insist on which player skates on whomever's line. It's Tom Renney's team and that IS important.
And that, my friends is the #1 reason why I wanted Jagr gone.

Not because of his age, or "declining play" or his contract.

This team needed a direction - ONE direction.

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STAN Fischler wrote this article? I'm frightened to say there's not a single part of it I disagree with. Pretty amazing flip-flop though.

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he flip flopped.....dont like how he bashed jagr....the guy gave his everything to make this team respectable again and fisch kicks while he is down.......not very professional
He admitted to not giving his everything.

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So Fischler, who showered Jagr with praise on a daily basis and supported his captaincy unequivocally, now spews vitriol at him when he's gone?

Shocking.

Fischler is an MSG shill. Why even give him any attention? He's just a mouthpiece. What good is it that I agree with him this time, when he's been saying the exact opposite for three years?

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Most important thing in Fischler's article.
I'll still never understand that.

If Renney didnt have the respect for the players for the past 3 years and a player was running the show, then Renney did not do a good job in controlling the team. Even more thanks goes to Jagr for I guess "leading" the team to the playoffs.

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Eklund is a guy you don't bother reading. Brooks is an educated Eklund. Fischler, like it or not, is a good hockey writer.

Christ, some of you guys make me laugh with the "flip-flop" comments. What are you, 2004 Bush Campaign spokesmen???

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07-09-2008, 10:44 PM
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Well, for one thing, our PP is going to be much more dynamic. With Jagr no longer the conductor, we hopefully can utilize shots from the blueline (please give Mara a chance?), and we also finally won't have the same patty-cake with the puck until Jagr/Shanahan unleashes a one timer.

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STAN Fischler wrote this article? I'm frightened to say there's not a single part of it I disagree with. Pretty amazing flip-flop though.
I know, I'm pretty shocked too. Normally, the Maven puts out stuff that makes you wonder if he was on senility meds (no disrespect to the elderly).

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So Fischler, who showered Jagr with praise on a daily basis and supported his captaincy unequivocally, now spews vitriol at him when he's gone?

Shocking.

Fischler is an MSG shill. Why even give him any attention? He's just a mouthpiece. What good is it that I agree with him this time, when he's been saying the exact opposite for three years?
this is what i was saying......same thing with avery, saying he will bust in dallas yet saying he thought he was a HUGE part of the rangers

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07-10-2008, 12:57 AM
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Jagr almost singlehandedly made sure that Mara didn't get PP time, from what I've read and heard. I know I heard about it during a game last year at the very least (this was during the period when Mara actually did start seeing some PP action).

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Here's a good response to The Maven's blog....(it starts about 10 paragraphs down)

http://theprospectpark.blogspot.com/...ly-uncool.html

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Here's a good response to The Maven's blog....(it starts about 10 paragraphs down)

http://theprospectpark.blogspot.com/...ly-uncool.html
This is a great response to Fishlers work of fiction...


I'd love it if one of the people that "agree" with The Maven's blog would counter this....

What isn't truthful about what Prospect Park wrote?

It's pretty pathetic that the Rangers sent 72 year old Stan Fischler to do there hit piece on two guys that did more for this franchise then ANY of the terrible players Fischler has endorsed over the years...I'm sure Stan is a great guy but he adds nothing of insight to the broadcasts....I''d take the opinion of half this board over what Fischler has to say before, during, and after his games...



When was the last time Stan Fischler has been right about anything? NOW, he makes sense? I don't get it but to each his own...

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07-10-2008, 06:51 AM
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This is a great response to Fishlers work of fiction...


I'd love it if one of the people that "agree" with The Maven's blog would counter this....

What isn't truthful about what Prospect Park wrote?

It's pretty pathetic that the Rangers sent 72 year old Stan Fischler to do there hit piece on two guys that did more for this franchise then ANY of the terrible players Fischler has endorsed over the years...I'm sure Stan is a great guy but he adds nothing of insight to the broadcasts....I''d take the opinion of half this board over what Fischler has to say before, during, and after his games...



When was the last time Stan Fischler has been right about anything? NOW, he makes sense? I don't get it but to each his own...
Why does it matter that he is 72?

Reading some of the comments here, like he is a hack, makes me laugh because Fischler is a many times over published author and nowadays everyone with a blog deems themselves an author.

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Christ, some of you guys make me laugh with the "flip-flop" comments.
Well, how else would you characterize it?

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What isn't truthful about what Prospect Park wrote?
I wouldn't say there is something untrue about what's written there, but there's a lot of silly questions asked and equally harsh things said about current Ranger players. I'm not sure how "bashing" Drury, Gomez and Renney is better or different than "bashing" Jagr and Avery, since that's the axe they've expressed an interest in grinding.

I would also add that the quality of writing certainly calls into question the quality of the writer. A piece that lacks the punctuation that any 5th grader should have command of significantly detracts from the credibility of the content.

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When was the last time Stan Fischler has been right about anything? NOW, he makes sense?
Does it matter? What came off the end of the pen that day was, for the first time in my memory, something I could agree with. I'm as shocked as you are.

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Eklund is a guy you don't bother reading. Brooks is an educated Eklund. Fischler, like it or not, is a good hockey writer.
I think he once was a good hockey writer, I'm not so sure about now. Maybe he says some outrageous things just for the attention, I don't know, but he doesn't come across as particularly with it these days.

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Why does it matter that he is 72?

Reading some of the comments here, like he is a hack, makes me laugh because Fischler is a many times over published author and nowadays everyone with a blog deems themselves an author.
Again, he says some pretty off the wall things these days (not talking about this article), so I don't think his credibility lately is really all that high. He's kind of settled into the role of "amusing diversion".

I'm kind of amused that someone claimed the Rangers themselves sent Fischler to write a "hit piece", though

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What's wrong with player monarchy? Do you prefer the dictatorship of the coach?
Hockey club is no way a democracy. The end result is all that matters. We made past the first round in playoffs with Jagr as a monarch. I don't think Renney ever was his b****, but who, the hell, cares? Mess did the same exact thing, only got us nowhere. Someone please explain to me why are we better with Jagr in Omsk and Avery in Dallas. Cause Mavens explanation looks quite silly to me. Looks like he covers for Slats shortcomings.

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Someone please explain to me why are we better with Jagr in Omsk and Avery in Dallas.
While there's probably a million answers, I'll give you 2.
  1. contract length
  2. cap hit

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