I'm going to say this is another move that raises eyebrows - Sutter takes the same job with another team, when he wasn't reported to be on the outs with Florida?
Okay, I guess I understand Nieuwendyk wanting to go back to Toronto, but he wasn't happy with the "direction" Florida was taking when he left...now Sutter, who again I can sort of understand wanting to work in Calgary, only the nature of his job is he travels a lot anyway...
Something smells here.
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"...and ultimately it doesn't matter."
Meh. Doesn't speak well for us, but name one young player other than David Booth who has been "developed" up to his potential. I think a few changes like this throughout the organization could be good, provided JM finds a new-blood replacement a la DeBoer.
Meh. Doesn't speak well for us, but name one young player other than David Booth who has been "developed" up to his potential. I think a few changes like this throughout the organization could be good, provided JM finds a new-blood replacement a la DeBoer.
Greg Campbell? Kamil Kreps? Kristian Huselius? Niklas Hagman?
I think if you look over the Panthers' draft history since Sutter's been director of player development he's not had a lot to work with that isn't already in the NHL, and since the team's not had much of a development program, he had neither the raw material to work with nor the tools.
But, in defense of your position, Sutter wasn't a great coach for us, either.
I'm going to say this is another move that raises eyebrows - Sutter takes the same job with another team, when he wasn't reported to be on the outs with Florida?
Okay, I guess I understand Nieuwendyk wanting to go back to Toronto, but he wasn't happy with the "direction" Florida was taking when he left...now Sutter, who again I can sort of understand wanting to work in Calgary, only the nature of his job is he travels a lot anyway...
Something smells here.
there was something else going on with the newy situation - we had an insider post something along the lines of him wanting the GM position and leaving when it was clear JM was going to be forced to take it over the coaching position he loved so much. no it looks like he's stepping into a position in TO where he can be groomed to become their next GM.
it seems he did an OK job but i think there is room for improvement in this area (as well as scouting).
Greg Campbell? Kamil Kreps? Kristian Huselius? Niklas Hagman?
I think if you look over the Panthers' draft history since Sutter's been director of player development he's not had a lot to work with that isn't already in the NHL, and since the team's not had much of a development program, he had neither the raw material to work with nor the tools.
But, in defense of your position, Sutter wasn't a great coach for us, either.
While the second paragraph in your message has merit to it - it's still really hard to cry over loosing this guy. If your list is supposed to wake some "oh yeah, Sutter really developed those guys well" -feeling, it didn't do the trick for me.
Campbell? What is he now excactly that can be seen as developing better than expectations?
Kreps? Projected second line center on a team with no first line, or a respectable third line center to battle it out with. (McLean is supposed to play first line wing, if I gather correct from this board)
Huselius? He was great before he came to NHL in SEL. He was very good his first year in NHL and then it all went downhill, until he left. How does that look good in Suter's resume?
Hagman? His development stalled big-time until he was moved to Dallas.
Good riddance. For once I congratulate Martin for a good move.
While the second paragraph in your message has merit to it - it's still really hard to cry over loosing this guy. If your list is supposed to wake some "oh yeah, Sutter really developed those guys well" -feeling, it didn't do the trick for me.
Campbell? What is he now excactly that can be seen as developing better than expectations?
Kreps? Projected second line center on a team with no first line, or a respectable third line center to battle it out with. (McLean is supposed to play first line wing, if I gather correct from this board)
Huselius? He was great before he came to NHL in SEL. He was very good his first year in NHL and then it all went downhill, until he left. How does that look good in Suter's resume?
Hagman? His development stalled big-time until he was moved to Dallas.
Good riddance. For once I congratulate Martin for a good move.
Sorry, I thought you'd said "who had developed to expectations" - but Hus and Hagman didn't until they left the organization, and Kreps hasn't yet. Only Campbell has lived up to expectations (realistic ones anyway).
I'm not crying over his departure at all - but it still makes me wonder if there's some poison pill within the Panthers' organization that is making some people want to leave.
Sorry, I thought you'd said "who had developed to expectations" - but Hus and Hagman didn't until they left the organization, and Kreps hasn't yet. Only Campbell has lived up to expectations (realistic ones anyway).
I'm not crying over his departure at all - but it still makes me wonder if there's some poison pill within the Panthers' organization that is making some people want to leave.
PS-Anybody else surprised that Jack Birch, a Keenan crony, is still on the payroll?
Methinks that Jack Birch has done some serious sucking up the past few years since JM has replaced THE HOCKEY GOD . Oh well, another former crony Mike won't be on speaking terms with.
But, in defense of your position, Sutter wasn't a great coach for us, either.
Probably not but his hands were really tied. I remember one game, game went to overtime and he had to ask upstairs if he can go with four forwards.
Also he was in some weird situation, he started as a head coach and he was paid as scout, then signed as head coach, got fired and continued working as scout, getting head coach's salary.
THE HOCKEY GOD 
