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07-09-2008, 12:16 AM
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Rich Hammond made a list:
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By Rich Hammond on July 8, 2008 3:17 PM | Permalink | Comments (26) | ShareThis
After receiving countless emails and comments about this, I decided to try to run the numbers myself and see where the Kings would be at, salary-cap wise, if the season started today. Frankly, I'm not quite sure what all the fretting is about regarding whether the Kings can ``get'' to the salary-cap floor of $40 million. Here's what I have, based on a reasonable estimation of who might make the roster. These numbers are based on nhlnumbers.com, so there's probably a little variation on the exact numbers but they're close.

COMMITTED SALARIES
Michal Handzus -- $4 million
Dustin Brown -- $3.175 million
Alexander Frolov -- $2.9 million
Tom Preissing -- $2.75 million
Kyle Calder -- $2.75 million
Jack Johnson -- $2.15 million
Denis Gauthier -- $2.1 million
Derek Armstrong -- $1.5 million
Teddy Purcell -- $1.35 million
Thomas Hickey -- $1.346 million
Matt Greene -- $1.15 million
Dan Cloutier (buyout) -- $1.033 million
Anze Kopitar -- $956,000
Brian Boyle -- $835,000
Jason LaBarbera -- $825,000
Alyn McCauley (buyout) -- $667,666
Raitis Ivanans -- $600,000
John Zeiler -- $525,000

TOTAL: Just over $30.6 million

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS (with last season's salary)

Jarret Stoll -- ($2.2 million)
Patrick O'Sullivan -- ($850,000)
Erik Ersberg -- ($750,000)
Brad Richardson -- ($600,000)
Peter Harrold -- ($500,000)
Matt Moulson -- ($490,000)

TOTAL: Just under $5.4 million

That's roughly $36 million right there and doesn't take into account two huge things, one being Patrick O'Sullivan's expected large raise and the other being Drew Doughty's big cap number should he make the team, as is reasonably expected.

I'm just running the numbers with a pen, paper and calculator. Let me know if there are any glaring errors.

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07-09-2008, 02:50 AM
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That pick is for the 2010 draft. It is hard to say if that is a deep draft or not. It is still two years away.
I was, thanks for the correction.

After recalculating for a possibly lesser draft, I still say that 1sts and 2nds, even in unknown years, is worth it like Ziggy and Reaper said.

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07-09-2008, 03:03 AM
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Khabibulin's name is being tossed around. How about this?

To Chicago: Jason Labarbera

To Los Angeles: Nikolai Khabibulin, 2nd 2009, 2nd 2010

Chicago gets a reasonably affordable and decent backup for Huet. Kings get someone to anchor Manchester and two more decent assets. The two picks pay for us not only picking up that salary but also for giving up Labs.

Khabibulin signed a 4 year deal in 2005 and next year will be the last. Assuming he doesn't have a NTC, the added salary will easily put LA over the cap floor. I doubt anyone else including Columbus could even entertain touching that 6.25 mil per year. Plus as we've seen DL do at this year's draft, second rounders make nice packages to trade up with.

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Rich Hammond made a list:
Do you really think Thomas Hickey is going to make the team? I'd be surprised and I think Rich would be too, in his heart of hearts... Also, his list had contract numbers, not Cap Hits.... he may have fixed that though.

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Someone needs to tell Hammond why nhlnumbers sucks.

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Someone needs to tell Hammond why nhlnumbers sucks.
It's a great site. There is a lot of good info on there.

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It's a great site. There is a lot of good info on there.
I think Irish Blues is pointing out that their cap figures are incorrect.

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I think Irish Blues is pointing out that their cap figures are incorrect.
I think he's pointing out the fact that he runs the competitor www.nhlscap.com

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I think he's pointing out the fact that he runs the competitor www.nhlscap.com
I was already aware of that.

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Khabibulin's name is being tossed around. How about this?

To Chicago: Jason Labarbera

To Los Angeles: Nikolai Khabibulin, 2nd 2009, 2nd 2010

Chicago gets a reasonably affordable and decent backup for Huet. Kings get someone to anchor Manchester and two more decent assets. The two picks pay for us not only picking up that salary but also for giving up Labs.

Khabibulin signed a 4 year deal in 2005 and next year will be the last. Assuming he doesn't have a NTC, the added salary will easily put LA over the cap floor. I doubt anyone else including Columbus could even entertain touching that 6.25 mil per year. Plus as we've seen DL do at this year's draft, second rounders make nice packages to trade up with.

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I think the Blackhawks would sooner trade Havlat or Lang for something of moderate value than have to sacrifice two seconds just to dump 'Bulin. There was a statement that they wanted to keep both goalies but that seems kind of ridiculous. Then again, anyone in the business of paying $11M+ for those two is in the ridiculous business for sure.

Sounds like the Kings will take on two bloated contracts to hit the cap floor once the RFAs are signed. Hopefully they are just one-year deals. I am not a fan really but I do go to games and one day I'd like to see a decent team on the ice.

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Someone needs to tell Hammond why nhlnumbers sucks.
Hey IB, fix the NMC page.

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As much as I like Lombardi it pains me to see Handzus' name at the top and 2 buyouts on that list after only 2 seasons. Ouch.

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Once I have the numbers for the RFA's who just signed, I'll update the numbers on this thread.

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Hey IB, fix the NMC page.
You'll have to be a little more specific than "fix the page" - otherwise, it's like someone looking at something you did and saying, "that's wrong" and never explaining what is wrong so you can correct it.

Once you point this out, I can fix it once I don't have to work 11-12 hours a day - which God willing will be later this week.

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It's a great site. There is a lot of good info on there.
It's also about 2 1/2 weeks out of date. Of course, my stuff isn't completely up to date yet, either [it's much closer, and should be back up to snuff this weekend] - but I also don't have to wait for someone else to update their stuff so I can rip it off to update my stuff.

Then again, I guess there's people out there who prefer getting half-correct information from sites that admit right up front that they're not terribly correct to begin with.


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You'll have to be a little more specific than "fix the page" - otherwise, it's like someone looking at something you did and saying, "that's wrong" and never explaining what is wrong so you can correct it.

Once you point this out, I can fix it once I don't have to work 11-12 hours a day - which God willing will be later this week.


It's also about 2 1/2 weeks out of date. Of course, my stuff isn't completely up to date yet, either [it's much closer, and should be back up to snuff this weekend] - but I also don't have to wait for someone else to update their stuff so I can rip it off to update my stuff.

Then again, I guess there's people out there who prefer getting half-correct information from sites that admit right up front that they're not terribly correct to begin with.
The Kings still had Visnovsky and Blake listed on there IIRC. Haven't checked it since that day though.

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You'll have to be a little more specific than "fix the page" - otherwise, it's like someone looking at something you did and saying, "that's wrong" and never explaining what is wrong so you can correct it.

Once you point this out, I can fix it once I don't have to work 11-12 hours a day - which God willing will be later this week.


It's also about 2 1/2 weeks out of date. Of course, my stuff isn't completely up to date yet, either [it's much closer, and should be back up to snuff this weekend] - but I also don't have to wait for someone else to update their stuff so I can rip it off to update my stuff.

Then again, I guess there's people out there who prefer getting half-correct information from sites that admit right up front that they're not terribly correct to begin with.

Don't worry IB there are plenty of us believers. I got your site under favorites. It is the best cap site out there, IMO.

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Don't worry IB there are plenty of us believers. I got your site under favorites. It is the best cap site out there, IMO.
BULIN will not be a HAWK come the start of the yr......I think it's reasonable to think they will cave with the cap as is and toss him to the Kings for a depth forward like Armstrong and Ersberg who can give them depth in goal

I think they want Crawford to be the backup

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Added Moulson and Harrold with salaries... Waiting on Stoll, O'Sully and Doughty....Creeping up to the floor.

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FW, Ivanan's cap hit is $600,000. $475,000 was his cap hit last year.

Also, Cloutier's and McCauley's buyouts are slightly off. I'm assuming you just rounded those figures but I'm not sure since Kopitar's cap hit wasn't rounded.

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Added Moulson and Harrold with salaries... Waiting on Stoll, O'Sully and Doughty....Creeping up to the floor.

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The thing is you have 24 players on your list. The max a team can have on the "active" roster is 23. So in order to get Doughty on there two other players have to come off. Then as I said before using Doughty's cap hit to go above the salary floor is dangerous. Because if he isn't ready Dean will not be allowed to send him back to the OHL.

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FW, Ivanan's cap hit is $600,000. $475,000 was his cap hit last year.

Also, Cloutier's and McCauley's buyouts are slightly off. I'm assuming you just rounded those figures but I'm not sure since Kopitar's cap hit wasn't rounded.
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IB's site has Piskula signed to a 1 year $803,250 deal. I am not sure why he got more than Harrlod....but there you have it.

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I am not sure why he got more than Harrlod...
Wouldn't surprise me if the CBA said somethng about limits on RFA salary reductions. Either that or he has a better agent.

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IB's site has Piskula signed to a 1 year $803,250 deal. I am not sure why he got more than Harrlod....but there you have it.
I would bet that it is the one-way/two-way clauses in there. I believe 550K would actually be less than Harrold's QO (I can't remember what he got last year, but it was more than that I think), but Harrold has got at least a couple of years of one-way in that contract I think.

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I would bet that it is the one-way/two-way clauses in there. I believe 550K would actually be less than Harrold's QO (I can't remember what he got last year, but it was more than that I think), but Harrold has got at least a couple of years of one-way in that contract I think.
That is probably the case. Piskula is probably a long shot to make the Kings so he will probably never touch that $800,000 figure anyway.

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