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07-11-2008, 04:21 PM
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Krog signing doens't make sense in the first place. He's not a checker. He doesn't belong on the 3rd or 4th line really. They have someone like that in Wellwood.
I didn't claim it made sense - I probably quoted wrong post - only meant to provide a reason why it would be a poor decision to trade/move Johnson at this point after just signing him.

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07-11-2008, 04:23 PM
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To be fair we've dealt with this a few times. Just because Gillis says he wants to get 'faster' and 'grittier' doesn't mean every player on the roster necessarily embodies those qualities. Krog has decent foot-speed, and is absolutely deadly in the face-off circle. How many times last season did we complain about face-off depth. We now have two elite face-off guys in Johnson and Krog, and an up-and-comer in Kesler. H.Sedin is alright in the circle, and if we sign Sundin we'll most likely be one of the best face-off teams in the league. Again, if you're gonna play a successful puck-possession game (which seems to be popular with Detroits success) you need to win face-offs. And honestly, I don't see a huge amount of grit coming off Pettinger and Pyatt.
Maybe they brought him in to mentor Sedin and Kesler in the circle then.

That's a good point, but I guess I don't see the value in having a hodge-podge fourth line, unless you have a PP specialist in there but Krog hasn't shown much scoring touch at the NHL level. If the team has to move Pettinger for salary reasons (I think he's a pretty valuable depth player and is worth his $1 million salary) I guess Krog makes a bit of sense, but I don't think he's makes any more of an impact than a guy like Cowan, or even Davison playing forward.

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07-11-2008, 04:28 PM
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Honestly, if the team works out the way I see Gillis planning it I highly doubt your 4th line is seeing very much ice-time off the PK anyways.
that's a good point....

If Sundin signs, you've got 2 lines that each should be getting around 20 mins a game.... and Kesler has played pretty big minutes this past year as well...

a 4th line then becomes your special-team guys:

Krog-Johnson-Wellwood
Hordichuk

Krog and Johnson used in PK situations and key faceoffs... Wellwood on the 2nd PP unit, Hordichuk as the extra for games where you need his fists...

the utility line.... getting 0 ES shifts, as you roll out the top 3 lines with the rest of the ice time (Sundin-Sedin-Kesler).

Makes Pettinger unnecessary... Pyatt can still play in the 3rd line spot unless/until Hansen is ready to come in... start the season with Pyatt, and move him when you've got his replacement.

if only Sundin would sign... the answer to everything we need

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07-11-2008, 04:29 PM
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Maybe they brought him in to mentor Sedin and Kesler in the circle then.

That's a good point, but I guess I don't see the value in having a hodge-podge fourth line, unless you have a PP specialist in there but Krog hasn't shown much scoring touch at the NHL level. If the team has to move Pettinger for salary reasons (I think he's a pretty valuable depth player and is worth his $1 million salary) I guess Krog makes a bit of sense, but I don't think he's makes any more of an impact than a guy like Cowan, or even Davison playing forward.
I'd agree his impact will probably be comparable to any other 4th line player. It's what portion of the game he impacts that is important to us. He's one of the better face-off guys out there, he's a right-handed shot, he's fairly quick, and he can play all three forward positions. Those are all things we lacked last season that led to a serious drop-off in success when injuries occured.

Additionally, I can't claim to be overly familiar with his game, but does anyone have any proof he's poor defensively? Well his defensive stats aren't mind-blowing in his NHL appearances it definitely does not seem like the guys a liability out there either.

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Maybe they brought him in to mentor Sedin and Kesler in the circle then.

That's a good point, but I guess I don't see the value in having a hodge-podge fourth line, unless you have a PP specialist in there but Krog hasn't shown much scoring touch at the NHL level. If the team has to move Pettinger for salary reasons (I think he's a pretty valuable depth player and is worth his $1 million salary) I guess Krog makes a bit of sense, but I don't think he's makes any more of an impact than a guy like Cowan, or even Davison playing forward.
If he scores 1 goal this year, he's better than Cowan.

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that's a good point....

If Sundin signs, you've got 2 lines that each should be getting around 20 mins a game.... and Kesler has played pretty big minutes this past year as well...

a 4th line then becomes your special-team guys:

Krog-Johnson-Wellwood
Hordichuk

Krog and Johnson used in PK situations and key faceoffs... Wellwood on the 2nd PP unit, Hordichuk as the extra for games where you need his fists...

the utility line.... getting 0 ES shifts, as you roll out the top 3 lines with the rest of the ice time (Sundin-Sedin-Kesler).

Makes Pettinger unnecessary... Pyatt can still play in the 3rd line spot unless/until Hansen is ready to come in... start the season with Pyatt, and move him when you've got his replacement.

if only Sundin would sign... the answer to everything we need
Krog can PK? I'm not sure if rolling 3 lines and giving the 4th 0 ES minutes is the way to go, though. Johnson deserves more icetime than that, and I wouldn't mind giving a few minutes to guys like Hordichuk, Johnson, and Pettinger to grind it out and provide a major element of grit. Seems like a bit of a waste of all the grit we've aquired and would revert us back to being the same soft team we were last season if we were to ignore that line entirely.

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07-11-2008, 04:41 PM
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I'd agree his impact will probably be comparable to any other 4th line player. It's what portion of the game he impacts that is important to us. He's one of the better face-off guys out there, he's a right-handed shot, he's fairly quick, and he can play all three forward positions. Those are all things we lacked last season that led to a serious drop-off in success when injuries occured.

Additionally, I can't claim to be overly familiar with his game, but does anyone have any proof he's poor defensively? Well his defensive stats aren't mind-blowing in his NHL appearances it definitely does not seem like the guys a liability out there either.
I believe that Wellwood is supposed to be a very good faceoff person and can play on the wing quite comfortably. If Krog is also good defensively and is grittier, then that would be the big difference maker but I haven't heard whether he is or isn't.

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If it's a 1-way contract, this signing can mean one of a few things:

1) That Sundin isn't going to sign. Kesler slots into the 2nd line spot, with Johnson and Krog behind him.

2) That Kesler could be moved. Gillis moves one of the old-team members out, and replaces him with one of his own guys (Johnson). Johnson can slide into the 3rd line center spot with Krog on the 4th.

3) Pyatt or Pettinger are going to be moved, and Krog simply fills a depth spot. I don't know Krog's history - has he ever played on the wing? I know he's known for being a solid faceoff man, but not sure if he has played on the wing before, or how he's played.

4) Insurance. By the start of the season, depending on how they do in camp and how the team fits together, they will just pick between Wellwood, Cowan and Krog (or someone else if one of these guys beats them out), as to who sticks with the team as the extra forward, and who gets waived. Krog signs, knowing worst case he gets NHL money to play in the minors, but has a chance to find another NHL job (waivers) if he can't stick with the canucks.


My guess is #4... but who knows...



I sure hope it's #4 NFiTO. Either Pyatt or Pettinger should not be moved for this type of player. Per the last salary cap number I have seen, the Canucks had 690k available after a Sundin signing. It makes no sense to move any good 3rd/4th liners if you have the room left to keep them.


Depth is vital, especially in tighter contests.


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07-11-2008, 04:59 PM
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4) Insurance. By the start of the season, depending on how they do in camp and how the team fits together, they will just pick between Wellwood, Cowan and Krog (or someone else if one of these guys beats them out), as to who sticks with the team as the extra forward, and who gets waived. Krog signs, knowing worst case he gets NHL money to play in the minors, but has a chance to find another NHL job (waivers) if he can't stick with the canucks.


My guess is #4... but who knows...
Thinking about it, I suspect this might be the case.

Sign him as the 14th forward to play in the AHL and be the first callup whenever someone gets hurt. He's a pretty elite guy to have in that sort of role - best player in the AHL, can play 2nd or 4th line C, on the wing if needed, great on faceoffs.

As the '14th forward', he'll probably be on the Canuck roster for half the year or so, so for that half of his contract there's no difference between a one-way or a two-way. We have to pay an extra $200k relative to his AHL salary to secure his services, but this doesn't count against the cap so no big deal.

That's really the only way I see this making a lot of sense. Great depth addition where we're willing to eat part of his one-way $560k deal when everyone is healthy and he's in the AHL.

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Maybe this is a prelude to Cowan being bought out/removed?

Also,

KHL: We poached Radulov

NHL: Oh yeah? WELL WE JUST TOOK KROG FROM YA. HOW DO YA LIKE THEM APPLES?
Well we can't buy out Cowan since the Buyout period is over and he is making under 1M. That said Cowan never looked to have a spot on this roster since we got Hordichuk, I'm guessing he will be waived at some point.

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Obviously the situation is vastly different if Krog has agreed to play in Manitoba. Most of my points were based on the assumption he is an 'NHL or bust' type guy who has already refused AHL ice-time in favor of Europe. If he's being used as a 14th forward in the AHL it makes a heck of a lot more sense. Quite a move by the Aquilini's if true as they've basically agreed to pay a guy full minimum-NHL salary to play most of the year in Manitoba.

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Since losing Marc Savard to the Bruins, the Thrashers have been desperately searching for a centre to provide some offensive punch. Meanwhile, Jason Krog has been lighting it up with the Wolves, notching 112 points during the regular season and adding 25 points in 16 playoff games. Anybody who saw Krog play In the B.C. junior loop with the Chilliwack Chiefs could tell he was an offensive wizard. He went on to win the 1999 Hobey Baker Award for being the top player in U.S. college hockey but for some inexplicable reason was never drafted. Still, Krog scratched his way to the NHL and in 2003 played a major role in helping Anaheim get to the Stanley Cup final. Standing 5-foot-11 and weighing more than 180 pounds, there's no reason why Krog's size should be an issue. So, what's he doing stuck down on the farm?
I honestly believe Krog was signed to compete for scoring minutes.

Consider the sagacious Mike Toth:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/more/2008/05...ered_thoughts/

Since losing Marc Savard to the Bruins, the Thrashers have been desperately searching for a centre to provide some offensive punch. Meanwhile, Jason Krog has been lighting it up with the Wolves, notching 112 points during the regular season and adding 25 points in 16 playoff games. Anybody who saw Krog play In the B.C. junior loop with the Chilliwack Chiefs could tell he was an offensive wizard. He went on to win the 1999 Hobey Baker Award for being the top player in U.S. college hockey but for some inexplicable reason was never drafted. Still, Krog scratched his way to the NHL and in 2003 played a major role in helping Anaheim get to the Stanley Cup final. Standing 5-foot-11 and weighing more than 180 pounds, there's no reason why Krog's size should be an issue. So, what's he doing stuck down on the farm?

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This signing is like last year when we signed Isbister.

WHY?

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To me a one way makes little sense.

But it may be a competition thing. Not handing Cowan, Pettinger, Hansen etc a roster spot.

Krog gets put on waivers to begin the season and he likely gets picked up by someone.

Or maybe the pro scouting really believes he can be a good specialty player for them.

Either way this is the first move from Gillis that really confuses me and I don't like.

If it's a two way I have no problem with it (obviously)

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112 points in the AHL? Holy ****.

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I thought Krog signed with Severstal Cherepovets of the Russian Super League this past May. Wouldn't that preclude him from signing with the Canucks, given the latest "agreement" between the NHL and the Russian League?
Even if I am wrong about that, this signing makes no sense. How does Krog garner a one-way deal? We aren't exactly loaded with offensive skill, but I still don't think he is good enough to bump any of our top 13 forwards.
Strange.
Yeah he did sign. But he must have had an out clause.

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Seriously, the only reason this makes sense is if you're moving Pyatt or Pettinger. It's the only thing that fits in my mind. You aren't convincing ownership to shell-out over $500,000 in gauranteed contract to a guy who is gonna spend 60 games in Manitoba. No way.

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Pyatt's making more money and i'd assume has more value, therefore, he's probably gone.

I'm just speculating though.
Pyatt is making 1.6. He has scored 37 points his last 2 years.
Ryder had 31 points last year and is making 4M...
Jason Williams had 36 points last year and is going to get about 2.5-4M.

Pyatt is a steal.

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Seriously, the only reason this makes sense is if you're moving Pyatt or Pettinger. It's the only thing that fits in my mind. You aren't convincing ownership to shell-out over $500,000 in gauranteed contract to a guy who is gonna spend 60 games in Manitoba. No way.
If he's the first call-up, he probably only spends 30 games in Manitoba. There's always someone injured.

If he spends half the season in Vancouver, the 'cost' of giving him a one-way deal is $200k, not $500k. Even less if Manitoba has agreed to pick up a larger chunk of his contract. It's not *that* unreasonable.

I'm just speculating, of course. But the thought of moving prototype checking-line wingers so we can play a smallish skill center out-of-position on a checking line is so odd, I have difficulty believing it to be the case.

But I really have no idea. I'm just tossing it out there as something that might make more sense. But I agree it's a bit of a push to sign a guy to a one-way deal with the intention of sticking him in the minors for a large portion of the season.

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This isn't the signing I wanted to see when I got home. Not at all.

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This isn't the signing I wanted to see when I got home. Not at all.
Maybe they wanted to tell Mats they signed an MVP to play alongside him?

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Pyatt is making 1.6. He has scored 37 points his last 2 years.
Ryder had 31 points last year and is making 4M...
Jason Williams had 36 points last year and is going to get about 2.5-4M.

Pyatt is a steal.
Which is exactly why Pyatt has more value.

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Maybe they wanted to tell Mats they signed an MVP to play alongside him?

Hahah, I like that spin.



Gillis: "Hey Mats....we got you an MVP to play with.....this dude got 112 points one season.....won countless awards.....he's dying to play with you...."

Sundin: "Oh, sounds great, that would be Demitra AND an MVP to play with?? What's his name?"

Gillis: "Sorry Mats....the phones breaking up.....*Tambellini makes noises in the background* Oh, we're heading into a tunnel"

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Pyatt is making 1.6. He has scored 37 points his last 2 years.
Ryder had 31 points last year and is making 4M...
Jason Williams had 36 points last year and is going to get about 2.5-4M.

Pyatt is a steal.
He's got more intangibles than Ryder (not gonna comment on Williams do'nt know enough about him) as well.

Big guy infront of the net for the PP.
Is an able fighter when he decides to drop the gloves. (Him challenging Ivanans comes to mind...takes balls!)
etc...

Keep Pyatt

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