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07-13-2008, 09:04 PM
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25 things to make Nashville better

Keep in mind this is from a woman's P-O-V

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1) Real solutions that, one by one, help Nashville’s most fragile citizens find a way off the streets.

2) A fast, easy-to-use public transportation system (including commuter rail) that goes all over Nashville and her sister counties, many times a day.

3) A signature summer festival that locals cannot miss (the CMA Music Festival is wonderful, but I’m talking Summer Lights meets the New Orleans jazz fest).

4) No more public scandals by anyone named “Ford.”

5) A Nashville Sounds owner that’s willing to give a bit, instead of just take, to get a new baseball stadium.

6) More restaurants in Bellevue, a bigger library, and something in that darn empty shell of a mall (Yes, I know that’s selfish, since it’s my neighborhood. But hey, it’s my list).

7) A really cool, easily accessible downtown east bank riverfront makeover.

8) Nordstrom

9) A storm water system that really handles storm water runoff, without flooding people’s yards.

10) Mandatory, citywide recycling.

11) Smooth sailing as the new convention center gets built, with no scandals or cost overruns.

12) Beer in liquor stores.

13) Wine in grocery stores.

14) The Stanley Cup, and enough Predator fans to see it happen.

15) Completion of the Farmers Market makeover that’s taking so long.

16) Stronger spay and neuter laws so Nashville’s animal shelters would be practically empty.

17) Permanent repair of the Bicentennial Capitol Mall dancing fountains.

18) Peaceful inner-city neighborhoods, where Mamas don’t have to be afraid their babies will get shot.

19) A Super Bowl trophy.

20) The permanent death of the divisive proposed English-only law.

21) A winning Vanderbilt football season that ends with a great bowl bid.

22) An end to term limits for Metro Council members.

23) More public bathrooms downtown. And free parking.

24) Enough money to open all public libraries all the time. Ditto community centers and pools.

25) Public schools that are all so good, there’s nothing much to fight about except how high to raise teacher pay.

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07-14-2008, 01:47 AM
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Keep in mind this is from a woman's P-O-V
And just what is wrong with that?



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2) A fast, easy-to-use public transportation system (including commuter rail) that goes all over Nashville and her sister counties, many times a day. YES! We have NO real public transportation here, it's embarassing.

3) A signature summer festival that locals cannot miss (the CMA Music Festival is wonderful, but I’m talking Summer Lights meets the New Orleans jazz fest). Summer Lights and the Italian Street Festival were so much fun as a kid, I miss them.

5) A Nashville Sounds owner that’s willing to give a bit, instead of just take, to get a new baseball stadium. Greer Stadium concourse areas are creepy at night and it would be a shame to lose the team.

7) A really cool, easily accessible downtown east bank riverfront makeover. Utilize the river. I think we must be one of the only cities on a river that doesn't use it for anything other than a boat dock.

8) Nordstrom My heart jumps for a Nordstrom.

14) The Stanley Cup, and enough Predator fans to see it happen. We had a good team once....

21) A winning Vanderbilt football season that ends with a great bowl bid. At this point I would settle for just being bowl eligible.
I would love to see all 25 happen, but these are my favs.

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07-14-2008, 06:40 AM
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5) A Nashville Sounds owner that’s willing to give a bit, instead of just take, to get a new baseball stadium.
I will buy your baseball team for $5. Now let's talk stadium...

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6) More restaurants in Bellevue, a bigger library, and something in that darn empty shell of a mall (Yes, I know that’s selfish, since it’s my neighborhood. But hey, it’s my list).
You want to put something in the mall? Two words: paintball arena. No, I'm serious. It's perfect for it and if the city sets it up, they could get a TON of tax revenue from surrounding counties to make up for the loss of the mall over the years.

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Isn't he like 35?


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13) Wine in grocery stores.
Was is this, California?

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14) The Stanley Cup, and enough Predator fans to see it happen.
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21) A winning Vanderbilt football season that ends with a great bowl bid.

22) An end to term limits for Metro Council members.

23) More public bathrooms downtown. And free parking.
This is where you lose me. I'm not sure 21 will happen in my lifetime. I'm not sure what 22 would accomplish... and free parking? Are you kidding me?! Those city-run parking lots (they ARE run by the city, right?) bring in a TON of revenue for Metro that goes to stuff like education and road maintainence. By the time Vanderbilt is a major player in the SEC, this still won't have happened.

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Quite the sad column IMO. Four of the items involve sports and the most important one is 25th. (And, of course, having more places to buy beer and wine is critical.) There are plenty of other things that should have been on that list like more affordable housing and universal medical care.

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Yea it was kinda odd, the dichotomy is evident....world peace in one hand and a beer in the other.

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pardon my ignorance but who/what is Nordstrom?

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pardon my ignorance but who/what is Nordstrom?
It's a high end department store well known for its customer service. Began on the west coast in Seattle. It's THE place to shop if you have money.

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It's a high end department store well known for its customer service. Began on the west coast in Seattle. It's THE place to shop if you have money.
ah cool thanks.

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universal medical care.
Don't force me to leave Nashville.

If you're talking universal as in a strong safety net for low incomes, and than everyone else is free to live their lives and pursue what they feel is the best care, while paying their own bills, (Pay your way, the shocking price of a free life!) I agree.

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If you're talking universal as in a strong safety net for low incomes, and than everyone else is free to live their lives and pursue what they feel is the best care, while paying their own bills, (Pay your way, the shocking price of a free life!) I agree.
I would think that's what istcyr meant.

The last thing Nashville or the US as a whole needs is a Canada-style socialized healtchare program...

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It's a high end department store well known for its customer service. Began on the west coast in Seattle. It's THE place to shop if you have money.
Their cafeteria food is also quite good too but yeah, spendy.

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I would think that's what istcyr meant.

The last thing Nashville or the US as a whole needs is a Canada-style socialized healtchare program...

Let's agree that you have your opinion of what you think Canada's health care program is and that I have mine. Propaganda by the insurance companies is not always substantiated by facts.

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Let's agree that you have your opinion of what you think Canada's health care program is and that I have mine. Propaganda by the insurance companies is not always substantiated by facts.
and the propaganda supporting such a system is?

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and the propaganda supporting such a system is?
"you'll...have to wait months for lifesaving surgeries!"

"you'll only see third-rate doctors!"

etc, etc.

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"you'll...have to wait months for lifesaving surgeries!"

"you'll only see third-rate doctors!"

etc, etc.
Actually they don't have to wait for months for life-saving operations. It's the nonvital ones, like a hip replacement, that take forever.

If you wanted to implement a socialized healthcare ssytem in the US... well, it's just not fiscally viable. At $50,000 a year per person (that's covering everything so it's probably actually a bit low), it would run the government $15 trillion a year. That's more than the nation's GDP.

Now a system more like England's, where you have a choice between private insurance or government-funded healthcare, is much more viable in the US, so long as the government properly funds it and gets good docs in the program...

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Doesn't Massachusetts have socialized medical carre? I have heard it is not so pretty there. Can anyone verify this?

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Doesn't Massachusetts have socialized medical carre? I have heard it is not so pretty there. Can anyone verify this?
It's been a complete disaster financially, costing billions more than expected, and earlier this year the state asked the Federal Government for $500 million a year in bailout money. Google RomneyCare for more information.

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11) Smooth sailing as the new convention center gets built, with no scandals or cost overruns.
As much as I'd like to support that... that just leaves another HUGE empty building on broadway. Same reason I didn't want the city to turn down the Preds.

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costing billions more than expected
I doubt it. I'm sure it's costing massively more than the proponents (and government) said it would. But that's a lot different than expected, heh heh.

The only way socialized healthcare reduces costs is with rationing. The only way they hold down costs is with mandates, in other words, which leads to rationing. Since there's no fair market.

If the U.S. goes to a much greater socialized system than we have now, the investment in medical technology will be greatly reduced. At least for a time, I could see a scenario where the medical companies move to countries who welcome them, some third world place probably since so many first world countries are just as socialist. Wealthy people could fly there for the best and modern care, and somewhat subsidize medical advances for the rest of us. And some of those advances would become cost effective enough to eventually trickle into the system. But don't expect the high rate of advances we currently benefit from, because the U.S. medical industry leads the world, and squashing the market, and profits, for innovation would obviously reduce innovation.

Most of the government regulations we have now were predicted by many smart economists to have the effect of raising the costs of health care. Those warnings have been systematically ignored for many decades by voters who think the government can buy them a free lunch. Well guess what, those warnings have proven true and we have much higher health care costs than we should.

The best way to improve health care in this country would be to reduce regulation and disincentives in the market, not increase them with a socialist co-op.

I won't hold my breath though.

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I doubt it. I'm sure it's costing massively more than the proponents (and government) said it would. But that's a lot different than expected, heh heh.
My figure came from the CATO Institute:

Over the next 10 years, projections suggest that Romney- Care will cost about $2 billion more than was budgeted.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_repo...cpr30n1-1.html

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My figure came from the CATO Institute:

Over the next 10 years, projections suggest that Romney- Care will cost about $2 billion more than was budgeted.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_repo...cpr30n1-1.html
I think the term "Conservativevs" should be stripped from the Republican playbook ... that's ridiculous, not 2 million more, but 2 BILLION, Taxachusetts the new welfare state

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I have a huge list of how to make Nashville better, but judging by some of these posts made, I don't think that would go over too well

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My figure came from the CATO Institute:

Over the next 10 years, projections suggest that Romney- Care will cost about $2 billion more than was budgeted.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_repo...cpr30n1-1.html
Yeah, exactly... "Budgeted" not "expected".

Sort of like when the government budgets for some new military plane. They always have a budgeted figure, then they have the real, cost overrun figure.

I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was agreeing. But saying that only the most gullible citizen or politician would have believed the cost projections for Romney care. Or any government run health care proposals, for that matter. The true costs of Bush's medicare expansion are turning out to be much higher than the laughable figures quoted when the bill passed also.

Gee, I think Tenncare had some sizable overrun from the "predicted" costs. (In quotes as I doubt even those who produce government cost quotes actually believe them in the first place.) Who could have predicted that, heh.

Anyway, I'll bow out of this thread for good, and return to some hockey ones.

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Yeah, exactly... "Budgeted" not "expected".

Sort of like when the government budgets for some new military plane. They always have a budgeted figure, then they have the real, cost overrun figure.

I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was agreeing. But saying that only the most gullible citizen or politician would have believed the cost projections for Romney care. Or any government run health care proposals, for that matter. The true costs of Bush's medicare expansion are turning out to be much higher than the laughable figures quoted when the bill passed also.

Gee, I think Tenncare had some sizable overrun from the "predicted" costs. (In quotes as I doubt even those who produce government cost quotes actually believe them in the first place.) Who could have predicted that, heh.

Anyway, I'll bow out of this thread for good, and return to some hockey ones.
My apologies, i misread your initial comment. I had interpretted it as 2 billion was too sizeable a figure and that surely the overrun isn't that big. But you obviously meant that they budget for less than they actually expected to incur. And that's always correct, especially when you deal with the government.

In construction, it's encouraged to completely undercut true cost to win a government contract (provided you don't undercut your competitors by too much) and then incur overruns and "change order" your way into a finished and highly profitable job.

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1) Real solutions that, one by one, help Nashville’s most fragile citizens find a way off the streets.
So Nashville's infants and sick and elderly roam the streets? Must be a madhouse in that town these days.

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