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07-04-2008, 12:34 AM
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I get that you guys all have hard-on's for young players with potential, but why do people keep thinking players like Bernier are available? Buffalo traded Campbell, and obviously wanted Bernier badly, as he was the player they got in return. He's a young UFA, has a lot of potential, and Buffalo has about 15 million in cap space they can use.

Why is Buffalo going to trade him, and why are they going to trade him to the Rangers of all teams?

Let me guess, you guys want Sather to throw a massive offer sheet at a guy who has yet to score 20 goals and 40 points?

I just don't get why people think players like this, and franchise players are available... where does it come from?

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07-04-2008, 12:39 AM
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its enough to get Demitra and roll 3 offensive lines

gomez - naslund - demitra
drury - zherdev - prucha
dubinsky - callahan - dawes
fritche -rissmiller - vorres
betts - orr -hollweg
korpo - moore -cherapanov

in other words - someones gettin moved


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07-04-2008, 12:43 AM
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its enough to get Demitra and roll 3 offensive lines

gomez - naslund - demitra
drury - zherdev - prucha
dubinsky - callahan - dawes
be
i'd rather it be

Naslund-Gomez-Zherdev
Demitra-Drury-Prucha...

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07-04-2008, 02:39 AM
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I think there's some pretty funky cap manipulation going on

1. how many defensemen does your # include? if it's 5, I think you're going to want 2 more (at least a million).
2. cutting a player making 1 million doesn't bring a million in cap space, unless you're replacing him with no one.

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07-04-2008, 05:04 AM
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dont know who would get moved but i doubt it unless he takes a massive pay cut from the 10 mill he will get with the nucks per season for the next two..

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Well, guess I was wrong and right.

He was available, and now he's not!

Don't understand why Buffalo would do that though... piss-poor management by Regier. Way to let go a potential beast of a power forward for nothing but picks when you need that kind of player, and don't have a lot of firepower in the farm system...

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how about

Naslund---Sundin--Sjostrom*has everything - 3 20-25 goal guys

Zherdev--Gomez---G.Moore/T.Bertuzzi(no that's not a typo Todd!)

Dawes----Dubinsky-Prucha(I'm not saying a word..this line cleans up!

Drury-----Anisimov--Callahan(Basically 4 lines play all out attack) no more relying on Betts to Shutdown forwards...let the Defenders do the Shutdown stuff. The forwards still backcheck and play responsibly but no more line matching...Let the opposition coach try to match 4 lines...its the 2007 Buffalo Sabres all over again...any line thats out there is a true Scoring line w/ at least 2 20-25 goal caliber guys on the wings at any given time. Lets see more points for the forwards and more assists for the blueliners

Staal---Redden
Kalinin---Roz
Fahey--Girardi
Pock----Sauer/Sanguinetti/Hutchinson etc...
Lay off the crack pipe.

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canucks already dropped their offer. it's no longer 2 for $20mil. it's now 2 for $16mil. i saw it somewhere, but i forgot where. thought it was tsn. trying to find the article. there's also a good article about the rangers on tsn:

http://www.tsn.ca/story/?id=242496

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07-15-2008, 11:26 AM
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http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16239

Yeah yeah yeah...

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There is however another growing theory, brought up by a source in Western Canada yesterday, but also gaining momentum all over the league.

"Many people now feel that Sundin is waiting on the NY Rangers. That is the holdup" one source told me.
Whatever. Theory, thats all it is.

I really hate to bring one of these threads back.

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07-15-2008, 11:29 AM
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Whatever. Theory, thats all it is.

Waiting for the Rangers to do what? Magically clear up 5+ mil in cap space for him? I really don't see where Sundin fits into this lineup.

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07-15-2008, 11:32 AM
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Waiting for the Rangers to do what? Magically clear up 5+ mil in cap space for him? I really don't see where Sundin fits into this lineup.
maybe we are waiting on drury to agree to waive his NTC so we can ship out is $7 mil contract to somebody else who likes to make mistakes (hello toronto, isles).

well one can dream

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Well with Naslund on the team (they are great friends) Henrik Lundqvist (awesome Swedish goalie) and a definite direction....maybe Mats will take a small tiny eeeny weeeeny discount to come play for the Rangers. Not that I am expecting anything but Sather will have to continue house cleaning and certainly, salary wise, that is going to have to make Prucha leave....I would think...although I would love for him to stay.

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Question is, what IF Sundin was willing to play for the Rangers for less.

Like say a 3.0 one year deal.

Any takers here?

I'd be lying if i said i wouldnt be intrigued, but i still dont think it would be a good fit.

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07-15-2008, 11:40 AM
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Well with Naslund on the team (they are great friends) Henrik Lundqvist (awesome Swedish goalie) and a definite direction....maybe Mats will take a small tiny eeeny weeeeny discount to come play for the Rangers. Not that I am expecting anything but Sather will have to continue house cleaning and certainly, salary wise, that is going to have to make Prucha leave....I would think...although I would love for him to stay.
If the Vancouver offer is true (2 years 20 mill) he will have to take a substantial pay cut to sign here.

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07-15-2008, 11:42 AM
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Naslund-Sundin-Dawes
Drury-Gomez-Zherdov
Fritsche-Dubinksy-Cally
Sjo-Betts-Orr/Ris/Voros

that looks fanfreakintastic. i still don't see how we get under the cap though... prucha definately will have to go the way of the dodo.

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07-15-2008, 11:44 AM
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maybe we are waiting on drury to agree to waive his NTC so we can ship out is $7 mil contract to somebody else who likes to make mistakes (hello toronto, isles).

well one can dream
I think it's tough to characterize Drury as a mistake if you're talking about 2 year, $16M deals for a 36 year old contemplating retirement. Is this kind of shake-up really worth the 8-10 extra points Mats MIGHT give you over Drury?

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Well with Naslund on the team (they are great friends) Henrik Lundqvist (awesome Swedish goalie) and a definite direction....maybe Mats will take a small tiny eeeny weeeeny discount to come play for the Rangers. Not that I am expecting anything but Sather will have to continue house cleaning and certainly, salary wise, that is going to have to make Prucha leave....I would think...although I would love for him to stay.
It's a long-shot but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility (and that is fine with)...

Not much house-cleaning salary wise that can be done...We really don't need Prucha or SJostrom (the new guys won't be dealt/dumped yet), so they can go to the tune of, what, 2-2.5 mill?...And maybe we walk away from Fritsche and his arbitration, but that's about all the wiggle room...

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I think it's tough to characterize Drury as a mistake if you're talking about 2 year, $16M deals for a 36 year old contemplating retirement. Is this kind of shake-up really worth the 8-10 extra points Mats MIGHT give you over Drury?

yes becaus you get rid of that contract in 2 years (when we have to sign Staal)... drury you still have his mistake for 4 and it is a NMC. Sundin if the team is bad you could probably trade him for more assets. Sundin would just put alot less pressure on our cap situation since his contract is only 2 years. Plus he is a much better player than Drury.

And I think it is more like 10-20 extra points a year over Drury.

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Original reports suggested that Sundin's camp contacted the Rangers and not the other way around.

Thats the one reason i cannot discount the fact that there might be some validity to this.

Who knows. If he really wants it, he controls the fate of where he goes and for what.

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Naslund-Sundin-Dawes
Drury-Gomez-Zherdov
Fritsche-Dubinksy-Cally
Sjo-Betts-Orr/Ris/Voros

that looks fanfreakintastic. i still don't see how we get under the cap though... prucha definately will have to go the way of the dodo.
It also looks like a top two lines that will get pummeled...And Dawes doesn't bel;ong anywhere near a 1st line..3rd line (no checking) is more appropriate

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Waiting for the Rangers to do what? Magically clear up 5+ mil in cap space for him? I really don't see where Sundin fits into this lineup.
maybe you should open your eyes.

if we deal prucha, we have about 5 mil open for mats. throw that at him as a base and throw 2-3 more in incentives and that should do it.

mats can center naslund, gomez can center zherdev. you can let drury or dubinsky center the third line, let the other one line up on gomer's left. i think with sundin, we'd be a top 2 team in the conference...probably top 5 in the league.

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It's a long-shot but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility (and that is fine with)...

Not much house-cleaning salary wise that can be done...We really don't need Prucha or SJostrom (the new guys won't be dealt/dumped yet), so they can go to the tune of, what, 2-2.5 mill?...And maybe we walk away from Fritsche and his arbitration, but that's about all the wiggle room...
Theres speculation in the Fritsche thread that he signed for around 875,000

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It also looks like a top two lines that will get pummeled...And Dawes doesn't bel;ong anywhere near a 1st line..3rd line (no checking) is more appropriate
our top two lines are in worse shape now. Sundin at least is a big boy. and also on a line w/ Sundin and Nazzy does it make a difference who the other winger is. I tried to balance the scoring on the top two lines, and keep a good third. Dawes does not belong a third line either, he needs to play w/ some talent.

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maybe you should open your eyes.

if we deal prucha, we have about 5 mil open for mats. throw that at him as a base and throw 2-3 more in incentives and that should do it.

mats can center naslund, gomez can center zherdev. you can let drury or dubinsky center the third line, let the other one line up on gomer's left. i think with sundin, we'd be a top 2 team in the conference...probably top 5 in the league.
we still have to sign our RFAs like dawes, sjöström and fritsche. I doubt we let them all walk, so there's no way we have 5 mil for sunding even if we trade prucha

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our top two lines are in worse shape now. Sundin at least is a big boy. and also on a line w/ Sundin and Nazzy does it make a difference who the other winger is. I tried to balance the scoring on the top two lines, and keep a good third. Dawes does not belong a third line either, he needs to play w/ some talent.
Naslund - Gomez - Drury
Dawes - Sundin - Zherdev
Fritsche - Dubinsky - Callahan
Rissmiller - Betts - Voros

Prucha?

Maybe you can interchange Dawes and Naslund if you please.

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