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07-15-2008, 08:57 PM
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Dawes is a goner.

He will be moved to the west coast for a powerforward.

Prucha still has too much upside and plays with more passion than Dawes.

Dawes is too small and needs to be moved out.

Or Dubinsky...
Are you for real? You really would move Dubinsky, who hasn't even touched his potential yet, than Prucha? I'd choose Dawes over Prucha. IMO I want to give Pru one more chance. I don't think well move anyone. We'll just cut Rismiller to the AHL.

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07-15-2008, 11:45 PM
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people have to understand that players like voros, rissmiller, redden, rozsival, mara, kalinin and others who were signed as UFA's ARE NOT GOING TO BE TRADED BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS!!!

if sather did that, no players would sign with the rangers.....everyone would think they would sign somewhere they want to play(NY) and then get traded before they get a chance to even move in........

with that in mind IMO rissmiller and voros were players brought in to replace 2 players on the lineup........betts and prucha.......both are very one-dimensional, and both have some value....with the loss of all the scoring this season, i think renney will be looking for a 4th line that can pot some goals and bring energy and toughness........i see the lines being something like this.......

naslund-gomez-zherdev
dawes-drury-fritsche
korpikoski-dubinsky-voros
callahan-rissmiller-sjostrom/byers(if sjostrom is traded)
orr

i know people might want to move players around, however i think that makes the most sense as prucha and betts are one-dimensional....one is a garbage goal scorer who excels on the pp.....and the other is a pk specialist and solid defensively...it may not be huge, but getting 15-20 goals from the 4th line instead of 6 adds up at the end of the season to more wins as long as they are defensively sound

now, in my defense, i see the 4th line as getting the majority of the pk's....

fritsche-drury
rissmiller-sjostrom
callahan-gomez

solid, all with centers....also, if you notice no one from the third line s on the pk, so renney could follow the pk's up with the third line which will get the puck low and drive to the net with their size and strength

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07-15-2008, 11:56 PM
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Callahan and/or Prucha.

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07-16-2008, 01:31 AM
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Callahan and/or Prucha.
i say Prucha and Betts. i doubt Callahan gets dealt.

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07-16-2008, 01:45 AM
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I dont think any player will be gone. Rissmiller will be sent down to AHL, of what i think.

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I dont think any player will be gone. Rissmiller will be sent down to AHL, of what i think.
nah, rissmiller played for years in the NHL, i doubt hed sign with a team to play in the AHL.

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people have to understand that players like voros, rissmiller, redden, rozsival, mara, kalinin and others who were signed as UFA's ARE NOT GOING TO BE TRADED BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS!!!

if sather did that, no players would sign with the rangers.....everyone would think they would sign somewhere they want to play(NY) and then get traded before they get a chance to even move in........

with that in mind IMO rissmiller and voros were players brought in to replace 2 players on the lineup........betts and prucha.......both are very one-dimensional, and both have some value....with the loss of all the scoring this season, i think renney will be looking for a 4th line that can pot some goals and bring energy and toughness........i see the lines being something like this.......

naslund-gomez-zherdev
dawes-drury-fritsche
korpikoski-dubinsky-voros
callahan-rissmiller-sjostrom/byers(if sjostrom is traded)
orr

i know people might want to move players around, however i think that makes the most sense as prucha and betts are one-dimensional....one is a garbage goal scorer who excels on the pp.....and the other is a pk specialist and solid defensively...it may not be huge, but getting 15-20 goals from the 4th line instead of 6 adds up at the end of the season to more wins as long as they are defensively sound

now, in my defense, i see the 4th line as getting the majority of the pk's....

fritsche-drury
rissmiller-sjostrom
callahan-gomez

solid, all with centers....also, if you notice no one from the third line s on the pk, so renney could follow the pk's up with the third line which will get the puck low and drive to the net with their size and strength

Switch Sjostrom and Voros and your set.

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07-16-2008, 05:55 AM
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$1.6 million in potential cap sapce? It's obviously going to be Prucha.

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07-16-2008, 06:19 AM
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nah, rissmiller played for years in the NHL, i doubt hed sign with a team to play in the AHL.
Rissmiller will start the season in Hartford, Unless we move several people he doesn't have a spot imo.

Out of the remaining spots he would seem to be one of the odd men out.

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07-16-2008, 06:31 AM
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Rissmiller will start the season in Hartford, Unless we move several people he doesn't have a spot imo.

Out of the remaining spots he would seem to be one of the odd men out.
yea so we paid 1 mil for a 4th liner that will end up with hartford i hope that is not the case.

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07-16-2008, 06:46 AM
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Are you for real? You really would move Dubinsky, who hasn't even touched his potential yet, than Prucha? I'd choose Dawes over Prucha. IMO I want to give Pru one more chance. I don't think well move anyone. We'll just cut Rismiller to the AHL.
Isn't there a saying: "Trade'm while they're hot"?
If not, there should be.
Going by trade value the obvious candidate would be Dubinsky.
His stock did rise above expectations last season when he was promoted to the first line, centered Jagr, and did very well at that.
But is he a true first line center?
Not for the Rangers, not for several years to come. He may be much more valuable to another team that could be willing to pay a high price.
However, Sather has shown in recent years that he is reluctant to trade away youth, so my guess is that Dubinsky will not be traded. Of course I also hope he won't be...

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Rissmiller will start the season in Hartford, Unless we move several people he doesn't have a spot imo.

Out of the remaining spots he would seem to be one of the odd men out.
Just out of curiosity, would you say that you've seen Rissmiller play enough to know for a fact that he isn't better than any of our bottom 6 players? I certainly haven't, so all I can really go on is the fact that Sather gave the guy a $1 million contract, which tells me that he has a spot somewhere with the big club. Unless it was a two-way deal (I haven't seen it reported as being one anywhere) I think the contract alone pretty much guarantees him (and Voros) a roster spot.

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Isn't there a saying: "Trade'm while they're hot"?
If not, there should be.
Going by trade value the obvious candidate would be Dubinsky.
His stock did rise above expectations last season when he was promoted to the first line, centered Jagr, and did very well at that.
But is he a true first line center?
Not for the Rangers, not for several years to come. He may be much more valuable to another team that could be willing to pay a high price.
However, Sather has shown in recent years that he is reluctant to trade away youth, so my guess is that Dubinsky will not be traded. Of course I also hope he won't be...
Shhhh. That kind of talk will get you hung around here. Last time I brought that up people freaked out.

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I think the only way Dubi gets traded is for a legit 2nd line winger under 28 with upside, and if Renney, Gernander, Schoeny, and Slats all feel Artie will make the team.

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yea so we paid 1 mil for a 4th liner that will end up with hartford i hope that is not the case.
why if there are players better than him, than they should pay. Salary should not dictate playing time. Let the better players play. I want the best team possible on ice, not the best paid team.

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yea so we paid 1 mil for a 4th liner that will end up with hartford i hope that is not the case.
If he's in Hartford, then he doesn't count against the cap. It took 1 million to get him here, but really that's a pretty insignificant amount. If he doesn't win a spot in camp he could be sent down. It happened with Hutchinson last year.

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If he's in Hartford, then he doesn't count against the cap. It took 1 million to get him here, but really that's a pretty insignificant amount. If he doesn't win a spot in camp he could be sent down. It happened with Hutchinson last year.
hutch was back and forth between the nhl and AHL. Rissmiller last played in the AHL was 05-06.

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hutch was back and forth between the nhl and AHL. Rissmiller last played in the AHL was 05-06.
Kasparaitis had never played in the AHL before the conditioning assignment in 06-07, and he got sent to Hartford to begin last year because he just wasn't good enough any more. And he was making over 3 million.

The point is, just because we signed Rissmiller to a $1 million contract doesn't guarantee him a spot on the team.

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Kasparaitis had never played in the AHL before the conditioning assignment in 06-07, and he got sent to Hartford to begin last year because he just wasn't good enough any more. And he was making over 3 million.

The point is, just because we signed Rissmiller to a $1 million contract doesn't guarantee him a spot on the team.
what was the point of signing him?? he is another big body that does not do anything great but just good enough to play in the NHL. voros at least agitates, fights, scores a lil. rissmiller never fought, does not add much offense but adds more offense than betts and he hits and works hard. he is a better version of betts

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yea so we paid 1 mil for a 4th liner that will end up with hartford i hope that is not the case.
you used to complain that the 4th line didn't score (as if they HAD to score for the team to be succesful) now that the Rangers upgarded the 4th line you are complaining about the money that was spent?

Rissmiller is just the type of forward you pined for the Rangers to sign over the past 5years...

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what was the point of signing him?? he is another big body that does not do anything great but just good enough to play in the NHL. voros at least agitates, fights, scores a lil. rissmiller never fought, does not add much offense but adds more offense than betts and he hits and works hard. he is a better version of betts

no he's not..

betts is one of the best pk guys in the ENTIRE league...

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no he's not..

betts is one of the best pk guys in the ENTIRE league...
if that was the case hed be nominated for the selke trophy. i think they always give it to someone who has offense which is not fair.

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Rismiller isn't going anywhere. He was signed for a reason and he gives the team a huge helping of size of the back end lines that has been sorely missing. Look, he's no Gordie Howe but he is an accomplished NHL role player. Renney and the coaching staff have had ample oportunities to give Prucha top two line minutes in the past few years and have chosen not to do so. what makes you think they are going to have a change of heart now? For me it's easy -- Prucha has the most value and most salary cap upside. He's also an asset that can bring back short term help or a draft choice.


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