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07-20-2008, 12:09 AM
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Columbus is a smaller metro area, but being in the central part of a state with major cities like Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Dayton, Toledo, Springfield and Cincinnati all with a short distance.
That's really quite a stretch to make this statement. Cleveland, Toledo, Akron, and Canton are all over two hours and more than 125 miles away from Columbus.

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07-20-2008, 01:19 AM
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Here's a link posted today in a thread on the Business of Hockey board; it sort of fits right in to the topic discussed in this thread.

"The CBA uses something called DMA, or designated marketing area"....
http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2007/11/b...l-markets.html


A look at the NHL's 21 U.S. markets as ranked by DMA:
1. New York - 7.4 million
2. Los Angeles - 5.6 million
3. Chicago - 3.5 million
4. Philadelphia - 2.9 million
5. Dallas - 2.4 million
6. San Jose - 2.4 million
7. Boston - 2. 4 million
8. Atlanta - 2.3 million
9. Washington - 2.3 million
11. Detroit - 1.9 million
12. Phoenix - 1.8 million
13. Tampa Bay - 1.8 million
15. St. Paul - 1.7 million
16. Miami - 1.5 million
18. Denver - 1.5 million
21. St. Louis - 1.2 million
22. Pittsburgh - 1.2 million
28. Raleigh - 1.0 million
30. Nashville - 0.97 million
32. Columbus - 0.91 million
50. Buffalo - 0.64 million
Does those numbers for Buffalo include Southern Ontario? It may not because those numbers probably only look at US households.

The Sabres receive substantial support from the Niagara peninsula, which often doesn't get reflected in these totals.

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07-20-2008, 02:54 AM
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Not that anyone cares but the Panthers aren't close to Miami.

Sunrise is around 40 miles from Miami, if you want to use a big city you can say Fort Lauderdale which is only 12 miles away.
completely inaccurate.

i live south of miami (kendall) and drive 25 miles to get to the bank atlantic center. so someone in the actual city will drive even less.

if you want an accurate count for the panthers you'd have to include all of miami-dade, broward (ft.lauderdale) and palm beach counties as sunrise is pretty much right smack in the middle.

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07-20-2008, 04:17 AM
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New York is much bigger than 7.4 million, its more 13/14 million. Even the metro areas dont count some suburbs that should be added. For example Vancouver ''metro'' 2.2 million but that doesnt include highly populates places like Abbotsford and Chilliwack, which are 45 minutes/1 hour away.

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07-20-2008, 11:19 AM
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New York is much bigger than 7.4 million, its more 13/14 million. Even the metro areas dont count some suburbs that should be added. For example Vancouver ''metro'' 2.2 million but that doesnt include highly populates places like Abbotsford and Chilliwack, which are 45 minutes/1 hour away.
Just a question: How far would you have to be away from MSG in order for it to be a 45 minute commute to a game? Perhaps that's what the CBA was taking into consideration for the "designated marketing area".

But still, there is a point to be made in criticism of that list. And that's that it doesn't divide NY up into "marketing areas" for each of the NY metro area teams. The same goes for LA.

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07-20-2008, 11:27 AM
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Calgary has a bigger square kilometer area than Edmonton. I believe in fact that Calgary uses the most land in Canada, and I believe the US as well. Gotta love the commute!
Yeah, but Edmonton is no slouch there either. The city of Edmonton has a sparse inner-city population and the city itself uses more land then Toronto, Montreal, Philadelphia, Boston and Chicago.

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Just a question: How far would you have to be away from MSG in order for it to be a 45 minute commute to a game? Perhaps that's what the CBA was taking into consideration for the "designated marketing area".
I live around 20 miles from the city, and I can get to MSG by train in 40 minutes, by car + subway in 30. The thing is, MSG is located upstairs from the LIRR and Amtrak, so all trains bring you directly to the arena. So if you're some dweeb from Maryland you don't have to get mugged or something at least until the game starts.

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07-20-2008, 01:15 PM
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Calgary has a bigger square kilometer area than Edmonton. I believe in fact that Calgary uses the most land in Canada, and I believe the US as well. Gotta love the commute!
Ottawa
- City 2,778.64 kmē (1,072.9 sq mi)
- Metro 5,318.36 kmē (2,053.4 sq mi)

Calgary
- City 726.50 kmē (280.5 sq mi)
- Metro 5,107.43 kmē (1,972 sq mi)

Edmonton
- City 684.37 kmē (264.2 sq mi)
- Metro 9,417.88 kmē (3,636.3 sq mi)

Vancouver
- City 114.67 kmē (44.3 sq mi)
- Metro 2,878.52 kmē (1,111.4 sq mi)

Toronto
- City 630 kmē (243.2 sq mi)
- Metro 7,125 kmē (2,751 sq mi)

Montreal
- City 365.13 kmē (140.98 sq mi)
- Metro 4,259 kmē (1,644 sq mi)

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It's ridiculous to even consider the Islanders. Nearly a million people live within a 10 mile radius of their arena. Uniondale is a small community. There's a mile long stretch of main road that includes the Nassau Coliseum and Marriott. Across the street is a huge office building and a few small stores (deli, Starbucks, etc.). The other side of the arena has a road with a few other office buildings. That's basically it. The rest of Uniondale is mostly small houses. They are not the Uniondale Islanders.

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07-21-2008, 11:16 AM
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That's just it... there is no definition within the thread. Buffalo's regional population is 1.1 million.... without counting any heads on the other side of the Niagara River. There are over 400,000 people in the Niagara Region of Ontario that do not ever get added into the equation -- hell, if I can sit next to guys from Rochester (65 miles away) with season tickets, then there might something to including people 30 miles away in St. Catharines as part of the consuming demographic.
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Does those numbers for Buffalo include Southern Ontario? It may not because those numbers probably only look at US households.

The Sabres receive substantial support from the Niagara peninsula, which often doesn't get reflected in these totals.
Considering the census numbers for Niagara... I'd say that's a big no to them including anything. Hell, they don't even have full numbers for Erie County.

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07-21-2008, 12:23 PM
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Edmonton has about ~740,000 without metro and 1.1 million with. It's metropolitan area is actually almost exactly the same as Calgary (1.076 million to 1.079 million). It's base population is bigger then Ottawa's and many of the American markets.
Not that it makes a large difference, but Stats Canada's defition of the Calgary metro is, in a word, retarded. Apparently nobody lives south or east of Calgary city limits, as Okotoks (17,000), Strathmore (11,000), the MD of Foothills (20,000), etc. aren't included. Though that only adds about 60-70,000 people.

It's kinda funny when comapred to how the Edmonton MSA seems to be the entire northern half of the province.

As an aside, only on HFboards would a simple question turn into a five page thread...

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07-21-2008, 12:55 PM
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Not that it makes a large difference, but Stats Canada's defition of the Calgary metro is, in a word, retarded. Apparently nobody lives south or east of Calgary city limits, as Okotoks (17,000), Strathmore (11,000), the MD of Foothills (20,000), etc. aren't included. Though that only adds about 60-70,000 people.

It's kinda funny when comapred to how the Edmonton MSA seems to be the entire northern half of the province.

As an aside, only on HFboards would a simple question turn into a five page thread...
Stony Plain, Spruce Grove, St-Albert, Ft Sask, Sherwood Park.... Hardly half of the north

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It is amazing that this is still going on. People, Edmonton is the smallest. It doesn't have the smallest city population, but it has the smallest metro are which is the most important when determining market sizes. Aside from that, it is not like it is situated in a highly populated area where you can drive an hour or two and find a city of 300,000 etc. YOu leave Edmonton and unless you go south an enter into another hockey market(Calgary) there is nothing but small towns for hours and hours. BUffalo, Nashville, Raleigh, Columbus are a little different.

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Stony Plain, Spruce Grove, St-Albert, Ft Sask, Sherwood Park.... Hardly half of the north
Calm down... I was joking.

As noted above, the Edmonton MSA is 4000 sq km larger than the Calgary MSA. That's simply a result of including all of the rural municipalties surrounding Edmonton, as opposed to only one surrounding Calgary.

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