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07-21-2008, 11:20 PM
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Wideman's agent probably played the "so you think my client is worth less than Michael Ryder" angle lol~

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07-21-2008, 11:23 PM
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Isn't Komisarek an unrestricted free agent next season? That's the only problem - if he feels like testing the market, he could easily get 4.5-5 million. Especially if a team is in desperate need of a shutdown defenseman.
Wideman may have been a RFA this summer, but he had only one year left of RFA status, didn't he? Anyways, this deal covers at least 2 if not 3 UFA years, so it essentially is a UFA deal. Just like Komisarek's will be.

I'm interested in what the B's do now... is Murray getting the "second look" buyout.

$4.5m sounds alright to me for Komisarek. Regehr took $4m a year, and I view him as Komi's most comparable player in the NHL.

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07-21-2008, 11:26 PM
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how is going from 600k to 3.9+ not an overpayment...
By that logic, Crosby and Malkin are overpaid because their base salaries increased almost tenfold.

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07-21-2008, 11:33 PM
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how is going from 600k to 3.9+ not an overpayment...
this is a pretty silly argument

i'm fine with the deal although i can see people thinking the deal is a little on the steep end

with the current market its hard to call it overpayment tho

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07-21-2008, 11:38 PM
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Overpayment but this might sounds alright for the last two years of his contract.

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By that logic, Crosby and Malkin are overpaid because their base salaries increased almost tenfold.
Wow man you are taking the Habs board pretty seriously. I think we did less whining on the Bruins board when they create a thread mentioning that our team was looking shaky.

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07-21-2008, 11:47 PM
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Dennis Wideman 4-year (3.95M$ Cap hit/year)

What do you guys think about this deal?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/signings_2008/
relative to what others are getting, I think its a decent deal. I like wideman.

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07-22-2008, 12:38 AM
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Defense has become a rarity in this league. Look at how many teams don't even have a serviceable first pair... let alone the absolute garbage that many (most?) teams put on their second and especially 3rd pair. It's a great time to be a young d-man. You will get overpaid. Look at what Jones got for my team and I shudder to think what Coburn (a very good player with great upside) will get.

So, it's not a bad deal in the grand scheme of things... that's just what defensemen get these days.

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07-22-2008, 12:40 AM
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Seems like a pretty good deal to me... Denis Wideman is a pretty underrated defencemen around here. The guy can play around 25 minutes a game, is 25 years old and is a good 2-way defencemen.


Denis Wideman >>>>>>>>> Jeff Finger


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07-22-2008, 12:46 AM
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I don't see why this is news on the Habs board, and I don't see many of you doing anything but bashing the deal because "it's a Bruin".
Every single thing that impacts the Habs is posted on your board. Come on man.

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07-22-2008, 01:10 AM
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Seems like a pretty good deal to me... Denis Wideman is a pretty underrated defencemen around here. The guy can play around 25 minutes a game, is 25 years old and is a good 2-way defencemen.


Denis Wideman >>>>>>>>> Jeff Finger


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07-22-2008, 02:14 AM
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Its really an pretty okay deal. Wideman is still kinda young and he's a very good puck mover. This is WAYYY better than signing Jeff Finger...

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07-22-2008, 06:01 AM
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A guy like Andrei Kostitsyn got paid 3,25M for three years in the current market. Wideman should not get a dime more than this. Value of a defenseman is greater than a forward's, but Andrei Kostitsyn is a better overall player than Wideman, and he's more likely to become a great impact player in the next three years than Wideman IMO.

No that much of a bad deal, but he's been overpaid by a few dollars.

After this just tell me that Kovalev's salary is not gonna be increased. Gainey has got to extend a couple of guys and FAST. The market value is increasing big time, it's gonna get disgusting. A couple of years ago, 4M was for 1st line forwards just after the lockout. Now, PP specialists are getting this.
Don't look at the sexy UFA deals alone. In a Cap World, we must look at the overall picture. The cap is increasing by about 13% per year ($39M to $44M, $44M to $50.3M, $50.3M to $56.7M). However, I am not sure that with a kind of recession upon us that it will increase again by that much next year (over $63M??). I think next year's increase might be minimal.

I expect Bob to be as smart in his signings next year as he was this year, or at least I hope so!

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07-22-2008, 06:43 AM
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Going to be an absolute steal by year #3.

Great deal.

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07-22-2008, 07:10 AM
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I guess the question is whether Wideman is that good a player or is he a decent 'off' guy, a d man who plays well beside a stud like Chara.

Teams have hitorically mis-judged off guys. Rivet was a perfect example of a defenseman who was excellenet as the complimentary guy in his pairing, but struggled when asked to be the lead guy. At those numbers, you want to be more than complimentary.

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07-22-2008, 07:15 AM
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Rivet was a perfect example of a defenseman who was excellenet as the complimentary guy in his pairing, but struggled when asked to be the lead guy.
Playing with Sheldon Souray will do that to ya...

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07-22-2008, 07:28 AM
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Wow!! With all the glaring talent and the shootout prowess Wideman has, you'd expect him to have a salary in the Jeff Fingers range but no... Wideman got Fingered.

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07-22-2008, 07:45 AM
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I'm not complaining - I was just wondering why Wideman's contract would be news here. Beaker explained it perfectly.
You guys had quite the discussion on your board when we signed Laraque, didn't you?

As for the signing, its not bad. I thought Wideman was a complete liability early in the season for the B's (at least in the games i saw him play against Montreal)...but he seemed better as the season progressed...and obviously if he's playing as much as he is, he must be doing something right.

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07-22-2008, 08:02 AM
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The deal itself is fine but it puts the Bruins in a tight situation cap wise. Obviously they will have to buy someone out but it's never a good thing to be so tight against the cap because some wiggle room is important.

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As for the signing, its not bad. I thought Wideman was a complete liability early in the season for the B's (at least in the games i saw him play against Montreal)...but he seemed better as the season progressed......
Good point: all he could do is get better especially the way he played! And i mean i truly hope Wideman gets better since they GAVE away a 43 goals scorer (Brad Boyes) last year to get him! Another stellar Bruins trade along the lines of the Joe Thornton deal...





Bruins trolls: dont bring up Ribeiro: we wanted to give him away actually and didnt need anything in return. That why we took Niniimaa: it was him or a bag of pucks.

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07-22-2008, 08:03 AM
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Good they are over the cap now

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might be a good deal compared to what others got.. but it still makes me sick that "good" players get 4M per year these days. It feels worse than pre-lockout because everyone is overpaying the "semi-stars" like Ryder.

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07-22-2008, 09:09 AM
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might be a good deal compared to what others got.. but it still makes me sick that "good" players get 4M per year these days. It feels worse than pre-lockout because everyone is overpaying the "semi-stars" like Ryder.
Since when is Ryder a semi-star?

He is more like a 1/10 star

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07-22-2008, 09:24 AM
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Buyout period has passed. It'll be trade or demotion.

Glen Murray would be the obvious choice, but I don't see the match.
From what I understand, a team has a 48 hr window for buyouts if they go over the cap. Now I'm not 100% sure on this but that's what some people are saying.

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I would be fine with this deal if I cared about the Bruins.


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Going to be an absolute steal by year #3.

Great deal.
With the way the cap keeps rising, and hence salaries...I agree and think we are going to be happy that we signed him for 4 years instead of a one year deal this year only to deal with this problem again next year.

We've got some money coming off the books next year but Kessel and Krejci will be RFA. Good to have this taken care of and while I agree it might seem a slight overpayment now...what would be proper payment...3.25 mil per? Salaries have been going up every year especially guys like this that can move the puck and QB the power play.

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