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07-23-2008, 09:55 AM
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Exactly, and IMO Lapierre is the complete opposite, he has good speed but he doesn't have the smarts.
I agree there, but you need to have all kinds of players... you need guys with good spped, and others with positionning; a Lapierre-Chip would do an awesome PK unit...they both have skills that are necessary in order to have success on pk.

in order to be a major threat you need to be diversified in the type of players you have

of course a team full of Crosby would win, but would a team full of Ribeiro would? no, they would be bad in def. and a team full of Madden or maltby would not score a goal...

diversification is the key...

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07-23-2008, 09:56 AM
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I think that Chips and Lats will be speed demons as I heard somewhere that


The first ones now
Will later be last
The slow ones now
Will later be fast.
Yeah, the tortoise beat the hare, but only because the hare took a long nap. Hockey shifts are too short for naps. If Chips and Lats could score like Phil Esposito, Dave Andreychuk, or Tim Kerr, I could forgive them their molasses legs!

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Some guy from MInnesota. He also told me that my sons and my daughters are beyond my command.
Don't listen to that guy, I've heard stories.. Next thing you know he's gonna tell you that the times they are a-changing..

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07-23-2008, 10:22 AM
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I like Chipchura, and his last-year performance was pleasantly surprised to me. Maybe it's because my expectation was quite low.

Sometimes I wonder how Chipchura can succeed in NHL: he has below average speed, ordinary shots, don't play physical, bad in face-off. Maybe he has a good vision !??

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07-23-2008, 10:30 AM
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Sometimes I wonder how Chipchura can succeed in NHL: he has below average speed, ordinary shots, don't play physical, bad in face-off. Maybe he has a good vision !??
Having seen a lot of him in Hamilton and a little of him in Montreal, I'd say he has:
- average speed
- below average acceleration
- ordinary shots until at the hash marks or lower where he has quite a good wrister
- isn't physically aggressive, but will use physical play off the puck when needed and will use his physical strength game in / game out when on the puck
- below average face-offs

He has decent vision offensively. He has the strength/puck control the get off the boards with the puck or take it through close traffic and give himself time to look up and see what play is on. Defensively, his vision is better, he can read a situation well and react accordingly. He will occasionally make big hits, but is better at playing positionally and angling people off/rubbing them into the boards where he uses his strength to battle for the puck.

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07-23-2008, 10:57 AM
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07-23-2008, 11:04 AM
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Having seen a lot of him in Hamilton and a little of him in Montreal, I'd say he has:
- average speed
- below average acceleration
- ordinary shots until at the hash marks or lower where he has quite a good wrister
- isn't physically aggressive, but will use physical play off the puck when needed and will use his physical strength game in / game out when on the puck
- below average face-offs

He has decent vision offensively. He has the strength/puck control the get off the boards with the puck or take it through close traffic and give himself time to look up and see what play is on. Defensively, his vision is better, he can read a situation well and react accordingly. He will occasionally make big hits, but is better at playing positionally and angling people off/rubbing them into the boards where he uses his strength to battle for the puck.

Not to keep harping like he's the second coming, but he also has underrated passing skills and knows at game speed when to dish, shoot or clear, which is what separates a lot of 4th liners from 2nd liners.

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07-23-2008, 11:23 AM
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Am I the only one who reads Qui Gon Dave's description of Chipper and thinks he's describing Nicklas Sundstrom?

Personally, I think Chipper is a pretty solid all-around player. Nothing spectacular, more suited to a bottom-6 role but the kind of player that can play with any other two players and still get good results. He just needs to improve on faceoffs and he should get a permanent spot on the NHL roster because I don't think he should be used as a winger.

While his type of player is not all that hard to find, I think the Habs brass place a lot of value in his attitude. It makes him a more valuable player than your everyday bottom-6 player.

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07-23-2008, 11:30 AM
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It makes him a more valuable player than your everyday bottom-6 player.
For all those reasons that a team might valued as well, it makes him a valuable tradeable asset.

Not throwing the towel, obviously not. 'Cause despite his skating, I really loves his anticipation both offensively and defensively. The guy has a very good hockey sense that will improve. His positional game will also improve as he gets more experience. But he could also become expendable.

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07-23-2008, 12:11 PM
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Some guy from MInnesota. He also told me that my sons and my daughters are beyond my command.
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From the title of the thread I thought this would turn into a Rodney Dangerfield-esque joke-off:

Q: How slow is Chipchura?
A: He's so slow he gets lapped by his shadow!

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07-23-2008, 12:26 PM
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Q: How slow is Chipchura?



A: He's very slow...


Don't know what do you guys sees in him that is so extraordinary, players like him are rainning in the AHL...


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07-23-2008, 12:27 PM
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Am I the only one who reads Qui Gon Dave's description of Chipper and thinks he's describing Nicklas Sundstrom?
I think you might be the only one who thinks that...

Sundstrom is a good skater, Chipchura is an average skater.

Sundstrom is a winger so he doesn't take faceoffs like Chipchura has to...

Also from what I remember Sundstrom wasn't that strong along the boards, something that Chipchura is very good at.

Some points may compare to Sundstrom but I don't think many people were thinking of Niklas Sundstrom when reading that post...

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07-23-2008, 12:43 PM
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Q: How slow is Chipchura?



A: He's very slow...


Don't know what do you guys sees in him that is so extraordinary, players like him are rainning in the AHL...
Not everyone is high on him. I think that most of us believe that he would be a 3rd C at best. 3rd C is not over-estimated, isn't it ?


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07-23-2008, 12:53 PM
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Q: How slow is Chipchura?



A: He's very slow...


Don't know what do you guys sees in him that is so extraordinary, players like him are rainning in the AHL...
How much AHL hockey do you watch?


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07-23-2008, 12:56 PM
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Where the heck did Chipchura disapear to again?

Man, that guy is fast.

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07-23-2008, 02:16 PM
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My synthesis of all I've read about Chipchura is that he might make a decent 3rd liner. There's nothing to suggest he might amount to anything more because he wouldn't shine in any of the events in a skills competition. If he plays on a 3rd line, as is likely, he probably won't rack up a lot of points because he doesn't have an outstanding shot and he wouldn't have sharpshooters as linemates.

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07-23-2008, 02:32 PM
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Some guy from MInnesota. He also told me that my sons and my daughters are beyond my command.
A friend of mine once had the following advice back when I was a legislator in Washington DC. I think he thinks similarly to your guy.

Come gather 'round Baseball Coach
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writer and critic
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senator, congressman
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come Mother Tuckers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.

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How much AHL hockey do you watch?
I don't think she watches any. Look at her post, she can't even pay attention to "Hooked on Phonics" that her parents have desperately tried to get her hooked on.

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07-23-2008, 03:50 PM
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I think that Chips and Lats will be speed demons as I heard somewhere that


The first ones now
Will later be last
The slow ones now
Will later be fast.
well said...

chip is extremely intelligent on the ice... his speed is important, but his ability to make good decisions will allow him to look faster than he really is.

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Ive seen him live, hes even slower than Latendresse...

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How much AHL hockey do you watch?
Clearly not that much if she thinks players like Chips are "raining in the AHL".

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diversification is the key...
that reminded me of a funny comercial (but I forget what its for)

"diversifaction is the key to success"

I haven't seen to much of Chip so I couldn't give a good answer as to how fast he is, but from what I saw it doesn't look like it will stop him from beign a quality player.

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Q: How slow is Chipchura?



A: He's very slow...


Don't know what do you guys sees in him that is so extraordinary, players like him are rainning in the AHL...


He wasnt bad when he played in Montreal in the beginning of the season. He was strong near the board and has good defensive awereness. He was sent to the AHL for some reason but im sorry to tell you this but he will probably come back as our 3rd or 4th center if Sundin doesnt sign here next season.

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One of our assets last season was speed . One or two guy who aren't as quick doesn't affect us too much, but I must say I'm curious to see what we'll look like with Lats, Chip and Laraque playing at the same time on a given night.

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