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07-24-2008, 06:53 PM
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Slats is just a moron who might not be a good Cap GM. His days as being on top of the league are way way gone. I just have zero faith in the guy. When I seen all those draft picks and cap space a few years ago, this wasn't the kind of team I envisioned.
Now, I may not be thinking through this or slightly retarded but I just wanted to comment on how everyone calls Sather an idiot when it comes to drafting and creating a team.

Now, how do you expect Sather to build an amazing competetive team when we go deep the past few years. Our draft picks are not high, and therefore we cannot grab superstar players from that very easy. Also, why is a team going to give up their fan-loved superstar players? That just doesn't make sense. They are probably doing the best they can with the selection they have. Not too many amazing, go balls to the wall to try to get him, players become FA's every year. We also aren't the only ones in competition for these guys. Also, I feel like, if they focus their attention too long, trying to grab one particular player, the other guys we might also be interested in may slip away to another team with a similar offer just because we took too long to take action.

I just think that a lot of people put the blame on Sather for not having a team full of superstars, just because of his past. I'm sure he got really lucky to have the team he did while he was GM of the Oilers. I'm sure it's not as easy as everyone thinks to just make a cup contending team, especially after we lost and are on the verge of losing a lot of what I feel to be key players.

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07-24-2008, 07:10 PM
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Now, how do you expect Sather to build an amazing competetive team when we go deep the past few years.
Perhaps you missed the previous 7 years.

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07-24-2008, 07:16 PM
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Well, thats why I said pardon me if I don't know EVERYTHING. I don't really know the rangers well pre-3 years ago. My friend won box seats from the rangers website and took me to that game and I fell in love with hockey. Hes had season tickets since the lockout now and takes me to about 30 games a season. So like I said, I don't really know the rangers pre-lockout.

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07-24-2008, 07:20 PM
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Well, thats why I said pardon me if I don't know EVERYTHING. I don't really know the rangers well pre-3 years ago. My friend won box seats from the rangers website and took me to that game and I fell in love with hockey. Hes had season tickets since the lockout now and takes me to about 30 games a season. So like I said, I don't really know the rangers pre-lockout.
No one knows everything but if you are going to make a statement like that you might consider that history didn't start three years ago. I'm not saying it to be nasty but a little research would show that Sather has been here for quite some time. Sorry if I came across as too harsh.

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All I was trying to say is that it's pretty hard to make something great out of nothing when it comes to a lot of coveted players under contract or other teams also making a run for many players. You can't just say you want a certain player unless that team is willing to take paycuts to play for a certain team. Theres always other teams competing for the same players.

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07-24-2008, 07:23 PM
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No one knows everything but if you are going to make a statement like that you might consider that history didn't start three years ago. I'm not saying it to be nasty but a little research would show that Sather has been here for quite some time. Sorry if I came across as too harsh.
Naw I don't feel like you did at all. I try to learn a lot from my friend and his dad, they're like a walking rangers almanac. But studying the draft and trade history of Sather was never a question of mine, heh.

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he wont reach UFA..........would love for the rangers to trade for him but he will cost a ton......

they could do something like this:

rozsival
prucha
sanguinetti
byers
2nd 09

two solid defenseman, a goal scorer and a gritty lower line player who is ready for the nhl now......

also, they would lose rozsivals 5 million and could give that to JBO and rework some deals next season to trry and make it work

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07-25-2008, 05:11 AM
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he wont reach UFA..........would love for the rangers to trade for him but he will cost a ton......

they could do something like this:

rozsival
prucha
sanguinetti
byers
2nd 09

two solid defenseman, a goal scorer and a gritty lower line player who is ready for the nhl now......

also, they would lose rozsivals 5 million and could give that to JBO and rework some deals next season to trry and make it work

Rozy
Sanguinetti or Del Zotto
Artem Anisimov
Prucha
2009 1st rounder

for

Jay-Bo

Anything less would be uncivilized

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07-25-2008, 01:50 PM
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Bouwmeester rejected multiyear deal and his heading to arbitration:

http://www.local10.com/sports/16979333/detail.html

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07-28-2008, 09:02 AM
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What would you give up for Jay Bouwmeester?

I dont think he gets moved before next seasons deadline, but it doesnt look like he wants to be a Panther anymore.

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07-28-2008, 09:08 AM
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I'd first offer Blozsival, Prucha, and Sauer. If that's not enough, I'd consider replacing Sauer with Dubinsky, ONLY if Jay-Bo signs a long term deal with us in advance.

Scenario 1 solves Cap problem, forwards problem, and Blozsival problem.

Scenario 2 solves Cap problem, Blozsival problem, and the two 3rd line centers problem.

Giving up Dubinsky would be tough though.

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07-28-2008, 09:15 AM
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I don't think we could package enough to even rent Jaybo at the deadline unless Redden was part of the deal, but I can probably guarantee you that Florida is on his list of places he'll refuse to go.

If we rent a player, I'd have to imagine it would be Gaborik.

If we did try for Jaybo, I think the talks would break down after Florida demanded Staal.

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07-28-2008, 09:41 AM
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Probably more than the Rangers want to spend. Getting players doesn't help much if you gut your team to get them.

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I'd first offer Blozsival, Prucha, and Sauer. If that's not enough, I'd consider replacing Sauer with Dubinsky, ONLY if Jay-Bo signs a long term deal with us in advance.

Scenario 1 solves Cap problem, forwards problem, and Blozsival problem.

Scenario 2 solves Cap problem, Blozsival problem, and the two 3rd line centers problem.

Giving up Dubinsky would be tough though.
no way i move dubinsky in any trade unless ovechkin, horton crosby malkin come back. id rather move our first round pick over dubinsky. we dont have many gritty big forwards that can actually play. dont give me well we have Anisimov. Anisimov has not proved himself yet at the AHL level, and is a totally different player than Dubinsky. Other than Dubinsky all of our gritty physical players are either small, or they dont have much skill. Dubinsky is our future power forward. If Dubinsky can be half as good as Nathan Horton ill be happy

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07-28-2008, 10:03 AM
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How would the Rangers sign long term Bouwmeester with no cap room?

The Rangers have the ammo to make such a trade but it doesn't matter with the piss poor way the cap is being managed...

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I don't think Florida and New York are good trading partners..
Now it seems Florida might trade him if they are out of playoffs, but price would be steep.
Florida would imo expect similar package as was Hossa deal to Pitts.
Young second-third liner, top prospect and first.
Dawes, Sangs and 1st in 09?
Not worth it.

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How would the Rangers sign long term Bouwmeester with no cap room?

The Rangers have the ammo to make such a trade but it doesn't matter with the piss poor way the cap is being managed...
By including Naslund in the deal, duh.

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07-28-2008, 11:32 AM
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I don't think Florida and New York are good trading partners..
Now it seems Florida might trade him if they are out of playoffs, but price would be steep.
Florida would imo expect similar package as was Hossa deal to Pitts.
Young second-third liner, top prospect and first.
Dawes, Sangs and 1st in 09?
Not worth it.
i would do

dawes
rozsival
sauer/potter
2nd 09

clears salary cap to resign him and the rangers would replace rozsival with JBO.....

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i would do

dawes
rozsival
sauer/potter
2nd 09

clears salary cap to resign him and the rangers would replace rozsival with JBO.....
and im pretty sure you would get laughed at unless Martin pulls another Jokinen type trade.

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and im pretty sure you would get laughed at unless Martin pulls another Jokinen type trade.
maybe........but he had said that it would take a deal like that of hossa's....i consider the deal i put down better than the hossa trade

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maybe........but he had said that it would take a deal like that of hossa's....i consider the deal i put down better than the hossa trade
How? The Hossa trade included a first round pick and a top notch prospect...

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How? The Hossa trade included a first round pick and a top notch prospect...
rozsival......

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rozsival......
I'm sorry man but Rozsival is not replacing a first round pick and a top notch prospect....especially for someone like JBo...but i could be wrong. If Martin took that deal i would be ecstatic but I think he wants more than that.

Ranger fans overrate Rozy just a bit sometimes.

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I'm sorry man but Rozsival is not replacing a first round pick and a top notch prospect....especially for someone like JBo...but i could be wrong. If Martin took that deal i would be ecstatic but I think he wants more than that.

Ranger fans overrate Rozy just a bit sometimes.
Rangers fans overrate almost all of their players all of the time.

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I don't think Florida and New York are good trading partners..
Now it seems Florida might trade him if they are out of playoffs, but price would be steep.
Florida would imo expect similar package as was Hossa deal to Pitts.
Young second-third liner, top prospect and first.
Dawes, Sangs and 1st in 09?
Not worth it.
Not worth it? I think the Rangers would take that deal and run.

The problem is we have too much $ invested on the blueline as it is thanks for the overpayments of Redden and Roszival. We'd have a helluva time locking J-Bo up longterm.

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