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07-25-2008, 11:53 AM
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OT: Calling all Rangers computer technos......

So, I am building a new computer. Well, I am buying the parts and my local computer store guy is building it. The computer will mostly be for gaming, but obviously other things as well. The budget is $1500. I already have the Acer X241W 24" monitor, Logitech MX1000 cordless mouse. The keyboard will be upgraded, but that's not part of the $1500 budget.

I will be using Newegg for most of the parts, except the case which I already bought. Here is a rundown of the projected parts.

Antec 1200 case - $163
Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - $140
EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - $230
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model - $175
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $80

Total so far $793

I think this is the direction I am going, just need to pair the mobo up with some ram. Sticking with current 7800 gt card for now unless I can pick up a cheap 8800gt for the time being. Gonna wait out the video card war a bit longer. Sound card I will probably skip, the onboard should be good enough for me. The optical drive, any suggestions? Want a DVD burner with lightscribe.


So I've narrowed the ram down to these 3 choices. Please let me know what you think so that I can get started on ordering the parts. Which one of these 3 is the "better ram", or the "better deal" ?

so it will be a choice between:

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $104.99

OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $127.99 + $30 rebate = $97.99

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $149.00 + $40 rebate = $109

The specs of these is all pretty much the same right? The prices are all the same as well.


And remember, it's going to be paired with this MOBO

EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard


Thanx in advance for any advice given.


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Youre probably better off getting an answer in the Geek Forum.

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Youre probably better off getting an answer in the Geek Forum.
Yea, but I trust Rangers fans more.

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I'd go with Corsair just as its the best brand of the lot, my guess is it has a decent warranty as well.

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They are all good sets of RAM. Can't go wrong with any of them. I've always been an OCZ guy. Never had a stick let me down. Looks like you have yourself a nice config there overall. Just a fair bit of warning though, that case is rather large so make sure you have space for it!

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Ok here goes. This is more or less the complete system (unless a find an amazing deal on a 8800 or high vid card). Please let me know if I need to make any changes or if there is a better deal on the same part elsewhere.


Antec 1200 case - $163
Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - $140
EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - $230 after $20 rebate
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model - $175
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $89.99
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $109 after $40 rebate
SAMSUNG Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM $26.99

Subtotal: $993.95 - $60 rebates + $70.67 tax + $13.36 shipping + $100 labor
Grand Total = $1117.98


Last minute thoughts? I still have $300 in cap space for the vid card. Will probably just use the 7800gt for now unless an amazing deal comes along.

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Ok here goes. This is more or less the complete system (unless a find an amazing deal on a 8800 or high vid card). Please let me know if I need to make any changes or if there is a better deal on the same part elsewhere.


Antec 1200 case - $163
Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - $140
EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - $230 after $20 rebate
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model - $175
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $89.99
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $109 after $40 rebate
SAMSUNG Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM $26.99

Subtotal: $993.95 - $60 rebates + $70.67 tax + $13.36 shipping + $100 labor
Grand Total = $1117.98


Last minute thoughts? I still have $300 in cap space for the vid card. Will probably just use the 7800gt for now unless an amazing deal comes along.

You know hockey is to big of a part of your life when you refer to your budget as cap space...

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So, I am building a new computer. Well, I am buying the parts and my local computer store guy is building it. The computer will mostly be for gaming, but obviously other things as well. The budget is $1500. I already have the Acer X241W 24" monitor, Logitech MX1000 cordless mouse. The keyboard will be upgraded, but that's not part of the $1500 budget.

I will be using Newegg for most of the parts, except the case which I already bought. Here is a rundown of the projected parts.

Antec 1200 case - $163
Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - $140
EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - $230
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model - $175
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $80

Total so far $793

I think this is the direction I am going, just need to pair the mobo up with some ram. Sticking with current 7800 gt card for now unless I can pick up a cheap 8800gt for the time being. Gonna wait out the video card war a bit longer. Sound card I will probably skip, the onboard should be good enough for me. The optical drive, any suggestions? Want a DVD burner with lightscribe.


So I've narrowed the ram down to these 3 choices. Please let me know what you think so that I can get started on ordering the parts. Which one of these 3 is the "better ram", or the "better deal" ?

so it will be a choice between:

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $104.99

OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $127.99 + $30 rebate = $97.99

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $149.00 + $40 rebate = $109

The specs of these is all pretty much the same right? The prices are all the same as well.


And remember, it's going to be paired with this MOBO

EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard


Thanx in advance for any advice given.
great machine but stay away fron the WD Hard Drive . Get yourself a Seagate and you will get a 5 year warranty from seagate . I do this for a living and I've seen to many WD drives go bad ( I'm not a Ranger fan )

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I just built my comp a few months ago.

I have the a similar Antec case (the nine hundred), it's the quietest thing you'll ever hear. Not sure the difference between the 900 & the 1200 though.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129021

Power supply I have a 650W Corsair
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...corsair%2b650W
Came out pretty cheap with rebate and such. IDK if you'll need 800W, but if you want to spend the extra money, go ahead.

Video card, I have the EVGA GT8800 and it works great. I don't know much about the newer ones though.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130318

I have a Quad Core, at this point there isn't too much of a difference AFAIK.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115017

My HDD is a Seagate, it's great. I only got a 250GB though because I don't need much more space than that.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148262

Go with the G.Skill memory, it's the top of the line at the moment AFAIK, I have it and it works fantastic.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231144

In terms of Mobo I have a Gigabyte, haven't heard much about the EVGA ones.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128082

I have an ASUS DVD Burner. It's fantastic and not too expensive with lightscribe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135156

Don't forget a nice quiet fan. I have the Zalman 9500A 92mm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128082




With all that stuff, you can hardly hear my computer at all. I keep my fans at medium setting. If you put everything to low you don't hear it at all. I've been playing COD4 at full high settings and I never get any lag. I haven't lagged with any games I've tried yet, although I'm not up on any of the new high end cutting edge games.


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Even though I hate the rangers I come in peace :

Just a couple of thoughts...

I love the 8400 as it is an excellent processor to overclock with minimal work (if you are interested in that sort of thing)

Also in terms of video cards, depending on what you consider cheap of course, these cards will give you excellent performance/cost ratio and are relatively new on the market.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...xVvph0m.4vW6Vg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-NA-_-NA-_-NA

if you have alot of hardware questions or problems with your rig once it is up and running, i would suggest heading over to neowin.net and asking the guys/gals in the hardware section of their forums.

I have had a number of problems with my custom built rig and they have been able to help me immensely.

just my two cents, hopefully it helps.

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$1500 is a ton of money to spend on a PC these days (imho) especially when you aren't including the monitor. I'm typing this on my $300 brand new Quad core base system with 500GB drive and DVD burner that I upgraded with an ATI 4850 and a secondary 640GB WD drive (one of the new 2 platter drives that everyone is raving about.) So for just under $600 I've got a pretty solid system. Everyone has their own opinion, but my advice has always been to spend half of what you can afford and upgrade twice as often as you otherwise would. The difference between a $1500 system and a $750 one is not that great...but in a year or two a new $750 machine will dominate today's $1500 rig.

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I'll second the Seagate over the WD drives.

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http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=459

i'd go with a 10000 rpm hard drive, i like the above

and the 800 watt power supply is a bit much dont ya think, do the planet a favor and save a few watts

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$1500 is a ton of money to spend on a PC these days (imho) especially when you aren't including the monitor. I'm typing this on my $300 brand new Quad core base system with 500GB drive and DVD burner that I upgraded with an ATI 4850 and a secondary 640GB WD drive (one of the new 2 platter drives that everyone is raving about.) So for just under $600 I've got a pretty solid system. Everyone has their own opinion, but my advice has always been to spend half of what you can afford and upgrade twice as often as you otherwise would. The difference between a $1500 system and a $750 one is not that great...but in a year or two a new $750 machine will dominate today's $1500 rig.
Well I tried to go cheaper, but I didn't see anything else out there.

I bought the case already so that's done.
Antec 1200 case - $163

I want a massive PSU so when I eventually go SLI I won't have any issues. This ANtec PSU had very good reviews and is $100 cheaper than usual.
Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - $140

I could have gone with a less expensive mobo, but this one seemed to have all the features I wanted.
EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - $230 after $20 rebate

This is the processor I want. Best bang for buck. Can do minor overclocking with no worries.
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model - $175

Some people love Seagate. Some people love WD. I've always had WD and never had any problems. Personal preference I guess? The 640 gb version was only $10 more than the 500 gb version.
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $89.99

G.Skill, OCZ, Corsair.... all the reviews I've read say they are all great companies. The Corsair will give me an additional fan for essentially the same price as the equivalent G.Skill and OCZ ram chips.
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $109 after $40 rebate

I think DVD burners are pretty much all the same now ??
SAMSUNG Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM $26.99


Thoughts on my reasoning?


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You don't need an 850 watt powersupply or even close. Especially if you are not getting an 8800 or 9800 or SLI'ing anything.

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You don't need an 850 watt powersupply or even close. Especially if you are not getting an 8800 or 9800 or SLI'ing anything.
I will be getting a top of the line video card and I will SLI it, just not today. I will do that when the price wars between Nvidia and Ati settle a bit. But I want the PSU ready for that cause I really don't want to have to change the PSU any time soon.

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Well I tried to go cheaper, but I didn't see anything else out there.

I bought the case already so that's done.
Antec 1200 case - $163

I want a massive PSU so when I eventually go SLI I won't have any issues. This ANtec PSU had very good reviews and is $100 cheaper than usual.
Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - $140

I could have gone with a less expensive mobo, but this one seemed to have all the features I wanted.
EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - $230 after $20 rebate

This is the processor I want. Best bang for buck. Can do minor overclocking with no worries.
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model - $175

Some people love Seagate. Some people love WD. I've always had WD and never had any problems. Personal preference I guess? The 640 gb version was only $10 more than the 500 gb version.
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $89.99

G.Skill, OCZ, Corsair.... all the reviews I've read say they are all great companies. The Corsair will give me an additional fan for essentially the same price as the equivalent G.Skill and OCZ ram chips.
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $109 after $40 rebate

I think DVD burners are pretty much all the same now ??
SAMSUNG Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM $26.99


Thoughts on my reasoning?
All the parts you list are solid. I do question whether you will truly need an SLI setup. You're talking about picking up a cheap 8800GT. So that's $100. Plus you'll get another one at some point to do SLI (or will you discard the 8800 and buy 2 new cards?) so that's some more cash. Plus the additional cost of going with the massive PSU. The latest cards (like the 4850 or 4870) can already run just about everything at close to 60FPS. Maybe not crysis totally maxed out...buy my point is that in 6 months the replacement to these cards will most likely singlehandedly outperform an 8800gt SLI setup. If you are truly a hard core gamer or a 3D modelling professional I can see it...but for 99% of the people out there (including most gamers) I still think it's overkill. The price on PC parts drops so quickly that I've always found it a better investment to buy a rung or two below the best, for savings far greater than the loss in performance...and use the savings to upgrade more frequently. However, if you have more than enough funds to build a sick $1500 system every 18 months then don't let me keep you down. Go for it.

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All the parts you list are solid. I do question whether you will truly need an SLI setup. You're talking about picking up a cheap 8800GT. So that's $100. Plus you'll get another one at some point to do SLI (or will you discard the 8800 and buy 2 new cards?) so that's some more cash. Plus the additional cost of going with the massive PSU. The latest cards (like the 4850 or 4870) can already run just about everything at close to 60FPS. Maybe not crysis totally maxed out...buy my point is that in 6 months the replacement to these cards will most likely singlehandedly outperform an 8800gt SLI setup. If you are truly a hard core gamer or a 3D modelling professional I can see it...but for 99% of the people out there (including most gamers) I still think it's overkill. The price on PC parts drops so quickly that I've always found it a better investment to buy a rung or two below the best, for savings far greater than the loss in performance...and use the savings to upgrade more frequently. However, if you have more than enough funds to build a sick $1500 system every 18 months then don't let me keep you down. Go for it.
I want this system to last a while, but I expect to change the video cards every so often. Whether I get SLI now, or in 6 months.... I expect to in the future, so I want the PSU to be ready. But I am very open to motherboard suggestions...


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dude get a mobo that can handle ddr3. it will be wort it in the end.

nice choice of cpu, i personally prefer nvidia to ati too. my favorite mobo is asus. i'll look around cause i love building computers i cant even afford to smell

check that, **** the duel cores, if you are shellin out 1500k get a ****in quad, ill post one in a sec

o and if you can/want to get 10000prm hdd, 2 of the same ones and run them in RAID 0. Put all your programs on that and they will load so ****in fast especially games and the os. then if you can get another big 7200 rpm hdd for stupid **** like music, docs, videos, porn, etc.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115043 CPU $269

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813131218R MOBO $214

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220300 RAM $215 (there is a $25 mail in rebate i didnt add in) its only 2 GB but its DDR3 1800 which is very fast. if you want you can cut back on something and get 4gb, but this is the ram i suggest

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130325 $199 X2 for SLi so $400 (you can get 1, then eventually upgrade)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136011 $175 X 2 for Raid0 (if you want to go that route) $350
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148141 $60, just for more space for the **** i listed before

OR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148298 $109

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151171 $27 ( i would get 2 just because, thats me though)


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182097 $175

$1410

i hope you have the software, but there is my list above of the parts i would buy with 1500k, i hope this helps. i really think thats the best you can get for gaming, especially with teh sli.
btw im not adding this as im going, but i know im coming close. if you dont go with teh RAID 0 then it will be around 1500 when im finished posting all the parts


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I want this system to last a while, but I expect to change the video cards every so often.
No such thing as "a while" See Moore's Law. If you have the mindset that need need the best rig available, you will be lucky to get 18 months out of your comp without getting frustrated or thinking there's something better out there.

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dude get a mobo that can handle ddr3. it will be wort it in the end.
Not to undermine what Gunnar said - he makes excellent suggestions.

I have found in my experience when building a new PC that "latest and greatest" makes for a nice sig on AnandTech.com forums, but you basically spend 33% more for negligible performance gains.

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No such thing as "a while" See Moore's Law. If you have the mindset that need need the best rig available, you will be lucky to get 18 months out of your comp without getting frustrated or thinking there's something better out there.
Actually that's not my mindset, I can go years without updating or upgrading.... That's what I've been doing.... but I do plan on upgrading the vid card in the future.

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MSI P7N SLI Platinum 750i based motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130159

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.p..._motherboard/1


It seems like all the reviews for the motherboards with sli have issues.....


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Actually that's not my mindset, I can go years without updating or upgrading.... That's what I've been doing.... but I do plan on upgrading the vid card in the future.

What about this board?

MSI P7N SLI Platinum 750i based motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130159

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.p..._motherboard/1


It seems like all the reviews for the motherboards with sli have issues.....
there are certain things that you just dont want to upgrade every 18 monts. like the motherboard and cpu. when i did my computer, i didnt go cheap on those 2 things and cut back on other things but eventually upgraded them. with the MSI MOBO, it only has 1 PCI EX 2.0 slot which will eventually make PCI EX become obsolete, same goes for DDR2, DDR3, granted much more expensive, is eventually going to make DDR2 become obsolete. DDR2 ram is so cheap, DDR3 ram costs about what DDR2 ram costs 2 years ago.

my 2 main suggestions are to definitley get a MOBO that supports 2 PCI EX 2.0 slots and DDR3 1800. And definitley get Quad core. everything else isnt nearly as important. those are your 2 main things. the other parts you can upgrade alot more often.

that MOBO only supports SLI with windos xp, so i hope you arent using vista if you are running sli

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my 2 main suggestions are to definitley get a MOBO that supports 2 PCI EX 2.0 slots and DDR3 1800. And definitley get Quad core. everything else isnt nearly as important. those are your 2 main things. the other parts you can upgrade alot more often.
That's the best way to handle this and I agree that those are the main things you need to build a solid pc.

The problem is the more you talk about it and the more you ask it gets more complicated

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there are certain things that you just dont want to upgrade every 18 monts. like the motherboard and cpu. when i did my computer, i didnt go cheap on those 2 things and cut back on other things but eventually upgraded them. with the MSI MOBO, it only has 1 PCI EX 2.0 slot which will eventually make PCI EX become obsolete, same goes for DDR2, DDR3, granted much more expensive, is eventually going to make DDR2 become obsolete. DDR2 ram is so cheap, DDR3 ram costs about what DDR2 ram costs 2 years ago.

my 2 main suggestions are to definitley get a MOBO that supports 2 PCI EX 2.0 slots and DDR3 1800. And definitley get Quad core. everything else isnt nearly as important. those are your 2 main things. the other parts you can upgrade alot more often.

that MOBO only supports SLI with windos xp, so i hope you arent using vista if you are running sli
I don't intend to upgrade any parts within 18 months other than the video card. I will be using win xp as I still don't trust Vista. A mobo that supports DDR3 and DDR2 is very expensive right now. And the only quad core I can afford is the Q6600 and all the reviews say a top of the line core 2 duo E8400 is a better processor than the lower end quad. I was seriosuly looking at this MSI mobo, just trying to make the best decision for the mobo, and right now I am still leaning towards the EVGA 780i, unless somone can make a recomendation that blows the EVGA 780i out of the water at $230 or less.

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