Oh for god's sake, Whitesnake, if you can't see that Dryden was an exceptional player, then you are hopeless.Same with Lemaire.
Well you're worst than hopeless to think that people can't have their own opinion, not even worth responding to but I'll do it anyway. Tough to really judge Dryden based on the incredible teams he had in front of him and played for only 7 years. So if Dryden is in, how about Hainsworth? If Lemaire is in, how about Shutt? Anybody rooting for him? Plante and Roy were exceptionals for me as for as goaltenders. Not Dryden. He was great, but not in the exceptional category. My way of seeing this, which is possible could be as good as yours as to do with pure talent, role in a team and longevity. Cleary Dryden doesn't fit my way of seeing a jersey being retire. Check for fun the numbers of his backups to see how great those teams were....Is Michel Larocque jersey retired? But since you seem to know it all, let just vote you on the committee so we can retire every jersey out there, let's retire all those numbers and let's start playing with 100's....
But thanks for your view on the subject, was quite instructive....
Last edited by Whitesnake: 07-28-2008 at 12:39 PM.
Not a lot of love between the two. A couple of years ago while having a conversation with Guy (we were having supper at his restaurant in Berthierville and got to talking), he said some interesting things about the whole sweater retirement issues surrounding the Habs at the time. (Robinson, Savard, Gainey had not been announced yet). Let's just say he was a lot more receptive to their names than he was to Lemaire.
As for the original question, I think that he should get some consideration, although I don't know that he will. As mcphee mentioned, while Gainey and Lemaire could both be great shut down guys, I din't know that Gainey had the offensive skills to play with Lafleur and Shutt. And while I loved to watch the Roadrunner, I always thought Lemaire was a better player. He could contribute in more ways.
My only personal issue with him is that he drove my idol, at the time, out of town and into an early retirement. And that might sway my vote....I wonder if it would sway anybody else's vote.
Well, Serge Savard didn't back Lafleur up either. That was around the time that systems play was taking hold in the league I think. Bowman always used systems, but he always let Lafleur roam around. Berry put a bit of a stop to that and Lemaire put the leash on him totally.
Lemaire's system was successful, of course, so it wasn't questioned at the time all that much. Everyone just figured that Lafleur should stop smoking cigarettes and get in shape.
Savard also had a hand in screwing Robinson over on his $1 million dollar contract bonus that the Habs used to hand out to players who had put in 15(?) years of service with the team. Serge decided to let Larry walk instead of paying it out. Probably wasn't his decision in hindsight. So Robinson always demanded that Montreal pay him if they wanted to retire his number.