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07-29-2008, 11:33 AM
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This doesnt happen. Not a chance in hell. The jacks are looking for the first time respectable on defense you dont go and trade a key piece to that with Hitchcock behind the bench.

Here is the CBJs beat writers response:
http://blog.dispatch.com/cbj/
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Apparently, Nick Kypreos reported on Sportsnet last night that the Blue Jackets were going to trade defenseman Jan Hejda and a fourth-round pick to the Flyers for winger Mike Knuble.

This is ridiculous. This is crazy. This will not happen. Not a chance.

Seriously who thinks up this BS?

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07-29-2008, 11:39 AM
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If that holds true, Philly really makes out in the proposal.

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What's also funny was I was reading how great Hejda was by a neutral party (Alan Ryder) yesterday:

http://www.hockeyanalytics.com/Resea...NHL_Review.pdf

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07-29-2008, 12:04 PM
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Hejda has the best package of skills in the league? Yeah, sometimes I drink too.
"What a dumb"?
What I stated is supported with facts. If you think I am wrong give me an example
of a dman. A Non response will be you saying you should not have opened your mouth.

PS. An offensive Dman with a good defensive set making 6-7 Million is not an example of the best Defensive DMan skill set being paid in the 3.75M and less range.

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07-29-2008, 12:28 PM
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What I stated is supported with facts. If you think I am wrong give me an example
of a dman. A Non response will be you saying you should not have opened your mouth.

PS. An offensive Dman with a good defensive set making 6-7 Million is not an example of the best Defensive DMan skill set being paid in the 3.75M and less range.
I'm sure if you included that in your last post, it wouldn't have been such a ridiculous claim. Salary was never mentioned.

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07-29-2008, 01:02 PM
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your slow
After reading about some of the non-sense and garbage some people spew on here, it's not out of the ordinary to think someone believes Hatcher would be "speedy".

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07-29-2008, 01:10 PM
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I'd include Kukkonen, and still do it in a heartbeat.

Timonen-Coburn
Hedja-Jones
Vaananen-Eminger
Guenin

With Parent and Ramholt on the Phantoms, I guess. That would be a hell of a lot better than last year's team, and it would open a spot at forward for someone like Matsumoto or Maroon to make the team.

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07-29-2008, 01:13 PM
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After reading about some of the non-sense and garbage some people spew on here, it's not out of the ordinary to think someone believes Hatcher would be "speedy".
yes it would be, that's an exaggeration. there is NO ONE here THAT stupid.

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07-29-2008, 01:56 PM
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I'd include Kukkonen, and still do it in a heartbeat.

Timonen-Coburn
Hedja-Jones
Vaananen-Eminger
Guenin

With Parent and Ramholt on the Phantoms, I guess. That would be a hell of a lot better than last year's team, and it would open a spot at forward for someone like Matsumoto or Maroon to make the team.

My only issue with removing Knuble at this time is, that thats atleast 50 goals gone since last season (Umberger, Knuble, Kapanen) It makes us weaker in front. If we could package Jones and Knuble for a forward + Hedja, count me in.

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My only issue with removing Knuble at this time is, that thats atleast 50 goals gone since last season (Umberger, Knuble, Kapanen) It makes us weaker in front. If we could package Jones and Knuble for a forward + Hedja, count me in.
yea but we are adding Gagne and Giroux...easily 50 goals there .

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07-29-2008, 02:09 PM
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yea but we are adding Gagne and Giroux...easily 50 goals there .
So we are banking on a guy who's career is potentially in question, and a rookie

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Here's a cheap shot from a writer at Kukla Korner:

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Nick Kypreos is Wrong

Aaron Portzline at Puck-rakers writes:

Apparently, Nick Kypreos reported on Sportsnet last night that the Blue Jackets were going to trade defenseman Jan Hejda and a fourth-round pick to the Flyers for winger Mike Knuble.

This is ridiculous. This is crazy. This will not happen. Not a chance.

Well, that seems pretty definitive. Although this doesn’t stop the kids on HF Boards from tackling the rumor from every angle they can think of as well (and Kypreos doesn’t fare too well there either.)

Must be a slow day in rumor land.

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.ph...reos_is_wrong/

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I'm sure if you included that in your last post, it wouldn't have been such a ridiculous claim. Salary was never mentioned.
Valid point but common sense says that is implied.

Voxel Thanks for the impartial info. Vlasic suprised me.

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So we are banking on a guy who's career is potentially in question, and a rookie
yeah and the continued growth of Carter, Richards, Lupul and Hartnell. I'm pretty comfortable with that. Most fans would be.

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07-29-2008, 05:59 PM
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Hopefully that doesn't happen...how many times can Columbus get ripped in a deal in one offseason?

Dear Columbus,

We see that you like to give away good players for fun, in the spirit of this: Sydor for Klesla...

Thanks,
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Hopefully that doesn't happen...how many times can Columbus get ripped in a deal in one offseason?

Dear Columbus,

We see that you like to give away good players for fun, in the spirit of this: Sydor for Klesla...

Thanks,
Pittsburgh

lol?

Columbus was ripped off in the deal for Tyutin, but that's because the team was snubbed by Redden and they needed a decent defensemen(after later signing Huselius) Care to tell me when else they were ripped off?

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Overrated stat, wasn't Modry the only + player on LA before the Flyers acquired him at the deadline.
Dude, +/- is the most underrated stat

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Where does this $4M over the cap crap come from.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=PHI

Add Giroux and Parent, subtract Hatcher, and you are $1M under the cap.

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Hopefully that doesn't happen...how many times can Columbus get ripped in a deal in one offseason?

Dear Columbus,

We see that you like to give away good players for fun, in the spirit of this: Sydor for Klesla...

Thanks,
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Good one!

Seriously...can we see what happens in the season before any affirmations are made? Can you shed some light on what trades you feel we were "ripped" on?

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Hopefully that doesn't happen...how many times can Columbus get ripped in a deal in one offseason?
By my count, zero.

Or am I missing something?

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So we are banking on a guy who's career is potentially in question, and a rookie
its possible that we can get 50 goals from those two. if not there is always more goals from the young guns, a healthy lupul, Briere with confidence, and a D that should get 20 more goals than our D did last year. Im not worried about trading Knuble for a potential 2nd pairing guy. Thats what we need more of, not goal scorers.

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You all fail to remember CBJ bretheren that the Rangers have won the 2008-2009 Stanley Cup and Zherdev signs an extension for 5 years at 20 million dollars.

It is not going to be a second round exit and Zherdev not going to Russia next year.

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Well...I think you guys gave into the artificial value spike of Umberger and then gave him a pretty hefty salary...I know Columbus is always looking for centers, but I don't think Umberger is the answer...I didn't really like that deal, I think that trade + contract are not in Columbus' best interest...

I'm a big Fedor Tyutin fan, but there's no reason to trade Z after he finally started to get it...he has some of the best offensive talent in the league, Tyutin is a second-pairing defensive defenseman, I think Z is a top line scoring winger...Backman is more or less useless...

And then you're banking on Gilbert Brule being a bust in that Torres deal...I know Brule hasn't been too hot, but he's only 21 and if he gets half as good as his hype, a borderline 2nd/3rd liner in Torres isn't gonna look like a good return...I don't blame ya for taking a chance there, assuming Brule doesn't pan out, but it's a pretty risky move, IMO...

And then this deal would make 4 (I won't talk about the Lindstrom deal because that's small change) that you guys come up on the short end on, or at least potentially...but I mean, obviously, just my opinion, but I don't really believe Columbus, organizationally speaking, is benefitting too terribly much from these moves...and Hejda + pick for Knuble would just be pouring salt in the wounds...

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07-30-2008, 12:43 AM
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I don't see this happening, Philly needs a 2nd pairing puckmover who can put up 25-30 points, I like Hejda, but he doesn't fit that role.

Philly already has Parent to be the shutdown guy on the 2nd pairing.
Im thinking if this rumor is true, which I have my doubts I would think The Flyers could flip Kukkonen to CBJ as well. Knuble and Kukkonen for Hejda and the 4th. making a deal like this w/o dealing a defenseman gives the Flyers 8 NHL defenseman even with Hatcher on LTIR.

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