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07-31-2008, 01:20 PM
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Schneider.
That would be terrific. He had a great season for Anaheim last year, would be interesting to see if he could keep it up.

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Sergei,

Bouillon has no offensive skills, no shot, I don't see him on the PP

he barely score a goal per year
Well, same can be said for Souray or Streit and look at how many they got.

Bouillon was never told to play a more offensive role and extremely rarely put on PP.
Im not saying he'll score as much as Souray or Streit, but he definitly has skills.

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07-31-2008, 01:42 PM
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I am not worried about the PP.
The Key has been Kovalev on the half boards all along.
He is the General out there on the PP.
He decides who gets a pass and when and why.
Now with Tanguay, the second line PP will have it's own General and the pressure will continue.
Since most teams only have 1 pair of great PK specialists and 1 pair of top d-men, I expect the Habs PP to be top end yet again.

all this even if Sundin does not sign with the Habs.
So, when Kovalev played like balls the season before last and we still had the top PP in the league. It was him that kept us up there? Kovalev played great on the PP last year. But the season before i could draw our power play with a stick in the sand.

Koivu wins draw to markov. Markov passes to Souray. Souray unloads.

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So, would Markov move to the right side ? We keep mentionning SK jr. when Andrei might make more sense, more of a natural shooter.
I agree. I would love to see A.kos back on the right side.... his shot is better than markov's or his brother from my pov.

I also think hamrlik might see a bit more pp time this year... he is a guy we can rely on as well.

I wouldn't be affraid to throw in gorges as well, I thought he looked good from the very few times I saw him playing there.

the reality is, as long as we have the markov and kovy axis on the pp, any average joe with a respectable shot is going to look like a genius....

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07-31-2008, 04:06 PM
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I wouldn't be afraid to throw in gorges as well, I thought he looked good from the very few times I saw him playing there.
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Well Gorges looks really good until he gets the puck. He's great defensively, but with the puck he's really not good; scary to watch, really. If he can improve his play with the puck this year as much as he improved his play without it last year he may be able to do it, but based on his play to date I would hope that he is not asked to carry the puck.

At least Gorges can keep the puck in at the blue line, though, and Bouillon is good that way too. It is a very underrated skill on the power play. Brisebois's inability to stop the puck at the blue line, even when it is sliding slowly, is the main reason I hope he does not come back.

Carle should be the best puck moving option depending on how his camp goes. Valentenko, Subban, and Weber may approach Souray's shot. The team said Carle and Valentenko would not make the Habs this year, but they also said Max Pac would not go to the AHL. Have to hope a few young guys beat out the bottom pairing and bottom line guys.

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07-31-2008, 07:20 PM
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Well Gorges looks really good until he gets the puck. He's great defensively, but with the puck he's really not good; scary to watch, really. If he can improve his play with the puck this year as much as he improved his play without it last year he may be able to do it, but based on his play to date I would hope that he is not asked to carry the puck.

At least Gorges can keep the puck in at the blue line, though, and Bouillon is good that way too. It is a very underrated skill on the power play. Brisebois's inability to stop the puck at the blue line, even when it is sliding slowly, is the main reason I hope he does not come back.

Carle should be the best puck moving option depending on how his camp goes. Valentenko, Subban, and Weber may approach Souray's shot. The team said Carle and Valentenko would not make the Habs this year, but they also said Max Pac would not go to the AHL. Have to hope a few young guys beat out the bottom pairing and bottom line guys.
I think Gorges has more ability than given credit for...When he got into the lineup, he quickly realized that he had to keep it simple and move the puck up the ice, however, towards the end of the season when he started getting more icetime, he started to take a few more chances, I remember one of the last games of the season, might of been the last one...he was doing everything he could to try and score, as I believe he had been the only member of the Habs who played a game, who had yet to score.

I'm not saying he'll ever be an offensive defensman, but I think he can at least eventually hold his own on a 2nd unit of a PP.

Either way, I like his skating ability, toughness and tenacity...he's a good defensman

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07-31-2008, 08:38 PM
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Does it have to replicate last season's PP? By the time the Habs reached the playoffs the Bruins and Flyers had studied it and learned to pretty well neutralize it. The Habs now have Tanguay and perhaps some of the younger players will be able to take a more active role. It's time for a new look.

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07-31-2008, 09:23 PM
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Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev
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07-31-2008, 10:03 PM
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Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev
Markov-A.Kostitsyn

Latendresse-Plekanec-Higgins
Hamrlik-S.Kostitsyn
You forgot Sundin....

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I think Gorges has more ability than given credit for...When he got into the lineup, he quickly realized that he had to keep it simple and move the puck up the ice, however, towards the end of the season when he started getting more icetime, he started to take a few more chances, I remember one of the last games of the season, might of been the last one...he was doing everything he could to try and score, as I believe he had been the only member of the Habs who played a game, who had yet to score.

I'm not saying he'll ever be an offensive defensman, but I think he can at least eventually hold his own on a 2nd unit of a PP.

Either way, I like his skating ability, toughness and tenacity...he's a good defensman
Could be. I may be putting too much emphasis on a few games I saw toward the end of the year (60th game or so) where he would take the puck from opposing players, give it back, and repeat, barely clearing the zone. He looked really good without the puck and pretty lost with it.

I don't mean to imply that he is not a solid defenceman, I just don't see a lot of offensive upside (PK rather than PP). I hope he does have an offensive game as that would make it reasonable to pair him with a big defensive guy to offset his size instead of with a puck mover to offset his puck moving; hard to do both.

It will definitely be an interesting training camp, as there are so many young players, NHL and AHL, that it is hard to rank them in advance. Have to wait and see who has improved most over the summer.

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According to Michel Bergeron, Bouillon's ten times the PP player Markov is... so Francis Bouillon should be the logical choice.



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07-31-2008, 10:36 PM
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andrei --------- pleck -------kovy

--------markov--------------sergei

LOOK OUT !

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andrei --------- pleck -------kovy

--------markov--------------sergei

LOOK OUT !
Love it. You got Andrei and Sergei going to cross ice to one another which they amazing at and love to do. Andrei can also set up camp in front of the net. Or you have Markov and Kovalev playing catch (probably the deadliest combo you could have on a powerplay in the league).

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unit 1

Higgins - Pleks - Kovalev
Markov - Andrei Kost

Unit 2

Sundin - Koivu - Sergei Kost
Hamrlik - Tanguay

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unit 1

Higgins - Pleks - Kovalev
Markov - Andrei Kost

Unit 2

Sundin - Koivu - Sergei Kost
Hamrlik - Tanguay
sergei had more practise on the point then andrei and to be honist i think would be better on the point

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I think Gorges has more ability than given credit for...When he got into the lineup, he quickly realized that he had to keep it simple and move the puck up the ice, however, towards the end of the season when he started getting more icetime, he started to take a few more chances, I remember one of the last games of the season, might of been the last one...he was doing everything he could to try and score, as I believe he had been the only member of the Habs who played a game, who had yet to score.

I'm not saying he'll ever be an offensive defensman, but I think he can at least eventually hold his own on a 2nd unit of a PP.

Either way, I like his skating ability, toughness and tenacity...he's a good defensman
I love Gorges too, but surely we have enough offensive weapons on the team to not have to rely on him for the PP this year... I mean, he didn't even score a goal last year...

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sergei had more practise on the point then andrei and to be honist i think would be better on the point
But he's not really good at it. He's a good passer, but a shooter is a much better fit on the first unit.

But since I think Andrei is our best player in front of the net, it shouldn't be him either.

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O'Byrne does have some offensive ideas out there, look no further than his pass to Lapierre before the goal to make it 5-4 against the Rags. I'm not about to put him out on the powerplay though.
I think what O'Byrne can bring on the power play would be the ability to hold the line (which is very important imo), aside from that i dont see him doing much of anything else. His release is a tad slow for me. I suggest either markov moves to the right or we see sergei move over there and uses his vision to generate offense.

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Whoever is up there will make the PP better because he will be better than Streit who was terrible. Streit stunk at holding the zone, had pretty mediocre passing vision and creativity.

He was also a selfish moron who was shooting WAY too much, often at retarded times. Towards the end anytime Markov would send it across Streit would try his one timer when the better play would've been to get it back to Markov or move it down to Kovalev. Markov looked like he was getting pretty frustrated by Streit.

Also Streits zone rushing was really overrated, Kovalev, Plekanics, Koivu were much better at it but Streit would just hog it instead of passing and just slowly move it up. He used this stupid pee-wee move most of the time where he'd chip it off the boards and go around dmen, I think it only worked because NHL dmen never expect to see such a move at that level.

I gotta imagine that a lot of the habs players arent unhappy to see him gone, he was a very dumb player with low hockey IQ, guys like that are so frustrating to play with at any level (Id take a guy with mediocre skills but good ice instints and game smarts over a skilled numbskull any day to play with) and his messing up the PP so bad in the playoffs was a large factor in the philly loss.

Whoever ends up fitting best, either a younger guy playing a simple game like Sergei or Gorges, or a creative vet like Tanguay, will be a major upgrade over swiss cheese Streit.

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Whoever is up there will make the PP better because he will be better than Streit who was terrible. Streit stunk at holding the zone, had pretty mediocre passing vision and creativity.

He was also a selfish moron who was shooting WAY too much, often at retarded times. Towards the end anytime Markov would send it across Streit would try his one timer when the better play would've been to get it back to Markov or move it down to Kovalev. Markov looked like he was getting pretty frustrated by Streit.

Also Streits zone rushing was really overrated, Kovalev, Plekanics, Koivu were much better at it but Streit would just hog it instead of passing and just slowly move it up. He used this stupid pee-wee move most of the time where he'd chip it off the boards and go around dmen, I think it only worked because NHL dmen never expect to see such a move at that level.

I gotta imagine that a lot of the habs players arent unhappy to see him gone, he was a very dumb player with low hockey IQ, guys like that are so frustrating to play with at any level (Id take a guy with mediocre skills but good ice instints and game smarts over a skilled numbskull any day to play with) and his messing up the PP so bad in the playoffs was a large factor in the philly loss.

Whoever ends up fitting best, either a younger guy playing a simple game like Sergei or Gorges, or a creative vet like Tanguay, will be a major upgrade over swiss cheese Streit.


I completely disagree with the assessment of Streit.

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Has anyone discussed sticking BGL in front of the net? I'm sure we're going to see that this year.

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Whoever is up there will make the PP better because he will be better than Streit who was terrible. Streit stunk at holding the zone, had pretty mediocre passing vision and creativity.

He was also a selfish moron who was shooting WAY too much, often at retarded times. Towards the end anytime Markov would send it across Streit would try his one timer when the better play would've been to get it back to Markov or move it down to Kovalev. Markov looked like he was getting pretty frustrated by Streit.

Also Streits zone rushing was really overrated, Kovalev, Plekanics, Koivu were much better at it but Streit would just hog it instead of passing and just slowly move it up. He used this stupid pee-wee move most of the time where he'd chip it off the boards and go around dmen, I think it only worked because NHL dmen never expect to see such a move at that level.

I gotta imagine that a lot of the habs players arent unhappy to see him gone, he was a very dumb player with low hockey IQ, guys like that are so frustrating to play with at any level (Id take a guy with mediocre skills but good ice instints and game smarts over a skilled numbskull any day to play with) and his messing up the PP so bad in the playoffs was a large factor in the philly loss.

Whoever ends up fitting best, either a younger guy playing a simple game like Sergei or Gorges, or a creative vet like Tanguay, will be a major upgrade over swiss cheese Streit.
I agree with you although you went hard on streit.... I hated it when he tried to carry the puck like kovy did.... he lost it most of the times...

however, as far as we know, he might have been told to shoot a bit more from time to time, not because his shot was spectacular, but because the other team has to close him down and it creates space for kovy. The key to a good pp is that everybody has to be dangerous, otherwise you loose the 1 man advantage.

I agree with your optimism... if brisebois can look good on our pp, everybody can.

I remember how some of us cried when sourray left, saying we wouldn't be able to replace him... don't tell me we can't replace streit....

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But he's not really good at it. He's a good passer, but a shooter is a much better fit on the first unit.

But since I think Andrei is our best player in front of the net, it shouldn't be him either.
ya but streit is a good passer is he not??

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