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06-14-2004, 12:30 PM
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2004 Draftees comparison with todays NHLers

Alexander Ovechkin- Ilya Kovalchuk(more physical)
Evgeni Malkin- Vincent Lecalvier
Cam Barker- Eric Brewer
Lauri Tukonen- Bill Guerin(less physical however)
Rostislav Olesz- Keith Primeau(possibly better scoring touch)
Andrew Ladd- Mark Parrish(better goalscoring ability)
Drew Stafford- Scott Hartnell
Robbie Shremp- Mike Comrie(a little stronger and physical)
Ladislav Smid- Kenny Jonsson
Alexander Radulov- Sergei Federov(not the same position but im really high on him)
A.J. Thelen- Sergei Gonchar

These are the comparisons which I have made based from what i heard or read about these prospects. Any thoughts??

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06-14-2004, 12:40 PM
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Alexander Ovechkin- Ilya Kovalchuk(more physical)
Evgeni Malkin- Vincent Lecalvier
Cam Barker- Eric Brewer
Lauri Tukonen- Bill Guerin(less physical however)
Rostislav Olesz- Keith Primeau(possibly better scoring touch)
Andrew Ladd- Mark Parrish(better goalscoring ability)
Drew Stafford- Scott Hartnell
Robbie Shremp- Mike Comrie(a little stronger and physical)
Ladislav Smid- Kenny Jonsson
Alexander Radulov- Sergei Federov(not the same position but im really high on him)
A.J. Thelen- Sergei Gonchar

These are the comparisons which I have made based from what i heard or read about these prospects. Any thoughts??

I wouldn't compare Ladd to Parrish. Ladd plays a better Power game. I also think Thelen will have a better defensive game than Gonchar.

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Barker-Brewer??? I don't think so.

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Maybe you can further refine...

Ovechkin...Iginla (a more physical Kovalchuk)
Tukonen...Glen Murray (a less physical Guerin)
Olesz...a big center capable of shutting down top lines with a better scoring touch than Primeau...Holik with the Devils?
Ladd...Martin St. Louis (Parrish with better scoring)
Schremp...Gomez (a little stronger and physical Comrie)

Not perfect...but do you see what I'm getting at?

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Ovechkin...Iginla (a more physical Kovalchuk)
Tukonen...Glen Murray (a less physical Guerin)
Olesz...a big center capable of shutting down top lines with a better scoring touch than Primeau...Holik with the Devils?
Ladd...Martin St. Louis (Parrish with better scoring)
Schremp...Gomez (a little stronger and physical Comrie)

Not perfect...but do you see what I'm getting at?
I do see what your getting at but I think your off a bit on a couple

Oveckin-agreed
Tukonen- Agreed
Olesz- agreed
Ladd- not as quick, agile or really anything like St.Louis. If anything Ladd reminds me of Scott Hartnell in every aspect
Schremp- Gomez knows both ends, I'd say Schremp has Doug Weight written all over

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06-14-2004, 01:23 PM
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Thanks RNY...

I actually had a bit of a brain freeze...not even thinking of Ladd, I went with a Parrish with a better scoring touch (knowing both skate). Remembering now what's been said of Ladd, Hartnell is a better choice.

And great call on the Doug Weight.

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One thing that I have noticed is that everyone is saying Barker is in the Blake mould, but I just don't buy it. Blake is one nasty MOFO, and a lot of people have questioned Barkers physical play and his ability to clear the crease. IMO, i feel he's got the offence of Blake, but not the dominance. Perhaps a Brian McCabe comes to mind

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I think maybe Barker resembles Lidstrom?

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I think maybe Barker resembles Lidstrom?
Style wise, sure, but talent wise, no, not to mention Lidstrom is amazing at both ends, Barker has clear and distinct short comings in his own end

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I actually had a bit of a brain freeze...not even thinking of Ladd, I went with a Parrish with a better scoring touch (knowing both skate). Remembering now what's been said of Ladd, Hartnell is a better choice.

And great call on the Doug Weight.
Actually, Ladd is getting Rick Nash comparisons.

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Actually, Ladd is getting Rick Nash comparisons.
perhaps size wise but scoring wise, not a chance.

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perhaps size wise but scoring wise, not a chance.
Actually, I've read that he attacks the net in the same manner as Nash.

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Actually, I've read that he attacks the net in the same manner as Nash.
So does Scott Hartnell. No one confused Nash with a 2nd liner or possible 3rd line player, Ladd is, see the difference? And its not for lack of hype, Ladd's probably the 2nd most hyped prospect outside of Ovechkin

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So does Scott Hartnell. No one confused Nash with a 2nd liner or possible 3rd line player, Ladd is, see the difference? And its not for lack of hype, Ladd's probably the 2nd most hyped prospect outside of Ovechkin
Thank goodness I have you to point that out for me.

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Ladd is not being overhyped, the comparison to Nash comes from his rapid progress. Nash also came a long way in one years time at the CHL level.

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Ladd does remind me of Nash, but a lesser version.

Not a bad thing.

Here's another one:

Wolski = Less physical Daze. And we all know how physical Daze is.

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I think Nash had 2 great seasons in OHL and performed great in playoffs twice, before being drafted. Ladd came out of nowhere pretty much and put up good numbers, but not nearly as good as Nash's, also Nash was a bit younger and was around 180lbs only.

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What happened to the Ladd/Graves comparison?

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What happened to the Ladd/Graves comparison?
he's been upgraded to Nash

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he's been upgraded to Nash
I kind of liked the sound of Laddy to Gravey.
Had a nice ring to it.
I guess Laddy to Nashy wil do.

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i highly doubt the Nash comparison is legit, he was a phenom all the way through and at the same age as Ladd, he wa slighting up NHL goaltenders

Nash has skills and features that make him unique

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Ladd reminds me more of a Ryan Smyth type. He isn't as aggressive as Graves, but he is a better all around player {at the same age} than Smyth.

He'll drop when he has to, and he'll crash the net.

Graves, Smyth, Anderson. All similar styles to Ladd in some ways.


Olesz reminds me more of Peca or even a poor man's Forsberg. (again this is style, NOT projections}.

Malkin reminds me of a more advanced David Legwand.

Barker reminds me somewhat of Gary Suter with less of an edge.

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Those were some of the dumbest comparisons I've ever seen
And the winner of "HF's Most Congenial Poster" is..

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Olesz will probably never be a NHL regular. He is a head case.

You people make it seem like this is one of stronger drafts ever when in reality it is average at best. We would be lucky at 4-6 to find a 20-30 goal type. Olesz isn't that. Best chance we have is to do well is take Ladd or Tukonen and find a way to trade up to get Radulov. I think that would be the best we could do.
Olesz will never play in the NHL???

How many times have you seen him play again???

And we'll need to trade UP to get Radulov?I'd say if we want him he be there at 6 for sure.

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Olesz will probably never be a NHL regular. He is a head case.

You people make it seem like this is one of stronger drafts ever when in reality it is average at best. We would be lucky at 4-6 to find a 20-30 goal type. Olesz isn't that. Best chance we have is to do well is take Ladd or Tukonen and find a way to trade up to get Radulov. I think that would be the best we could do.
Why do you keep saying he`s a head case?

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