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French 176 51.92%
English 127 37.46%
Other 36 10.62%
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08-06-2008, 10:11 AM
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I responded with an example in English, but how about all other 7000 odd languages on earth? Are they all as "rigid"? I know some languages that are quite malleable. How about mandarin? Are there exceptions in mandarin? Or Urdu? Or are we limiting the discussion to French and English? I beleive that would be quite a releif.
It's not limited to french and english, I just used it as an example. I can read Italian, Spanish and German. I can't compare yet how I would use them since they are not at the same level of knowledge as french and english for me.(My next target is German I think) I want to learn Russian in the future, Mandarin is my other interest.(But those 2 are not using the alphabet, so I have a longer way to go.)

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You dropped the gauntlet now!

ITS A GRAMMAR-OFF
As long as it's not a BANANA-PEELOFF.


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08-06-2008, 10:17 AM
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It's not limited to french and english, I just used it as an example. I can read Italian, Spanish and German. I can't compare yet how I would use them since they are not at the same level of knowledge as french and english for me.(My next target is German I think) I want to learn Russian in the future, Mandarin is my other interest.
What kind of twisted polyglot are you?

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08-06-2008, 10:18 AM
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What kind of twisted polyglot are you?
He's a cunning linguist.

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08-06-2008, 10:21 AM
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He's a cunning linguist.

A guy can wait years before being able to plug that one in. Well done, sir.

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08-06-2008, 10:22 AM
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08-06-2008, 10:23 AM
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What kind of twisted polyglot are you?


What can I say...I love women...??

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08-06-2008, 10:27 AM
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A guy can wait years before being able to plug that one in. Well done, sir.
You set me up so perfectly and I've been itching to throw that one out for months.

Last time I placed it was in the Poutine thread in 2006 and I got mixed reviews.

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08-06-2008, 10:27 AM
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He's a cunning linguist.
Are you like me ? You had that in a vault for years waiting to use it ?


I laughed to the point that people in the house came to check the commotion but it's a tough one to share with young nieces.

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08-06-2008, 10:30 AM
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Are you like me ? You had that in a vault for years waiting to use it ?


I laughed to the point that people in the house came to check the commotion but it's a tough one to share with young nieces.
As soon as I saw Bill's set up, I had to act quick to post it.

I was afraid you'd come in and steal it away ya old *******.

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08-06-2008, 10:32 AM
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I didn't give a serious answer yet but here's my linguistic background:

French: main language

English: fluent

Arabic: good at understanding, decent at speaking, can read a little

Spanish: I used to know a lot more, becoming very rusty, soon I won't be able to count it anymore I guess.

Japanese: I'm working on it, I'm reading books about the grammar rules and etc. but I should get some conversation practice to get better.

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08-06-2008, 11:56 AM
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It's not limited to french and english, I just used it as an example. I can read Italian, Spanish and German. I can't compare yet how I would use them since they are not at the same level of knowledge as french and english for me.(My next target is German I think) I want to learn Russian in the future, Mandarin is my other interest.(But those 2 are not using the alphabet, so I have a longer way to go.)
I can read French, English, and German and can sometimes get the gist of Spanish and Italian (in newspaper articles, perhaps). Russian is something else. I took a beginning course and found it difficult. I learned the alphabet, pronunciation, and numbers and I can recognize cognates of English words rendered in cyrillic but the grammar is daunting because of the changes in gender, case, and tense. I won't invest any more time in it, although what little I learned was useful on my 3 trips to St. Petersburg (I didn't get lost on the metro).

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08-06-2008, 11:58 AM
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He's a cunning linguist.
And you're a master debater!

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And you're a master debator!
This thead is producing quality posts.

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08-06-2008, 12:19 PM
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Thank god for Austin!

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08-06-2008, 12:29 PM
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This thead is producing quality posts.
When I worked at La Source when I was a kid in CEGEP, I had a syrian manager named Louay Bitar. When one day someone called asking Mister Bitar, it was priceless.

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bilingual but more english

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08-06-2008, 12:42 PM
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When I worked at La Source when I was a kid in CEGEP, I had a syrian manager named Louay Bitar. When one day someone called asking Mister Bitar, it was priceless.
Did your Syrian manager understood English?

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08-06-2008, 12:49 PM
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Did your Syrian manager understood English?
I certainly hope not.

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08-06-2008, 04:54 PM
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Sooo... you're saying huge nauts run in your family? That's modest, isn't it?
It was modest only because I didn't reference the other huge "apendage" that runs in my family!

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Funny cuz I'm the son of a linguist!


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08-06-2008, 05:47 PM
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Japanese: I'm working on it, I'm reading books about the grammar rules and etc. but I should get some conversation practice to get better.
That is what I should do to improve my Cantonese....I'm kinda lazy. Good luck, I know how hard non-latin based language are to learn.

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08-06-2008, 05:50 PM
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Main: English
Secondary: Japanese: I can speak conversational Japanese, fluent in Hiragana and Katakana (though Romaji sucks to high heaven...) but Kanji? Well, you can say my level is one with a kid in grade 3 in Japan...though I have been schooled to know as high up as around grade 6 or 7 I believe (which means I forgot them all lol) Have no accent...well, more like a mish-mash of Japanese dialects so pretty much screwed in any case... I just don't have the vocab to pull off Japanese in a real conversation.

After that? err..I suppose I did learn French from grade 4 to 9...yet all I remember is to ask how are you or I want to go to the bathroom

And being a geek, I'm otherwise fluent in Java, Ruby, C++ and actionscript/Flex

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English is first but I speak French well enough to get by.

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Oh, and my belief system lies with the idea that the language of choice in all things lies with which ever is the strongest language not necessarily the best language. I.e. Think marketing and or popularity contest. Oh and military might helps as well.
Meaning, English is the choice language because it was the most economical/popular language at the time of Globalization and or Industrial Revolution. So if France was the forefront nation at the time, French not English would be the choice language. Soon, Chinese whether Mandarin or Cantonese (presumably the latter?) will probably be battling out for supremacy assuming China's rise goes unabated. At the very least I would expect Chinese to be second choice for mastery after English within the next 100 years.
Whatever the case, whether driven by economics or social revolutions etc. etc. I think it's just an elaborate popularity contest.

But what do I know? Yup, nuthin

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You make sense. Change the language with the second language and I'm fully on board. And mandarin is a lot more spoken than cantonese in China. Better start to work on it now. A friend of mine just spent a year in Beijing and can carry small conversations, but it's very hard.

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Main: English
Secondary: Japanese: I can speak conversational Japanese, fluent in Hiragana and Katakana (though Romaji sucks to high heaven...) but Kanji? Well, you can say my level is one with a kid in grade 3 in Japan...though I have been schooled to know as high up as around grade 6 or 7 I believe (which means I forgot them all lol) Have no accent...well, more like a mish-mash of Japanese dialects so pretty much screwed in any case... I just don't have the vocab to pull off Japanese in a real conversation.

After that? err..I suppose I did learn French from grade 4 to 9...yet all I remember is to ask how are you or I want to go to the bathroom

And being a geek, I'm otherwise fluent in Java, Ruby, C++ and actionscript/Flex
So, where did you learn Japanese and/or have you ever lived in Japan? Don't know if you saw my earlier post, but I believe Japanese has taken over French for my "second language" (despite having gone through French Immersion from grade 2 until 12). I passed the Japanese Proficiency 2-級 last year (second try), and have started "studying" for level 1. But man, the kanji... the first 1500 were hard enough.

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