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Forsberg, Joe or Sundin - Who would you take in their prime!?

View Poll Results: In their prime:
Forsberg 149 60.57%
Sakic 92 37.40%
Sundin 5 2.03%
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08-07-2008, 11:22 AM
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You mean "Peak" not Prime.

Sakic's prime is a large step ahead of Forsberg's because it was 15 years long and almost always healthy

His peak is almost equal.

In Sakic's peak Regular season year, he won a Hart, Pearson, Would have won an Art Ross if not For Lemieux's return(Jagr had 44 points in 38 games from October through December. He finished with 77 points in his final 43 games after Mario came back.) and he was Runner up for the Selke(Forsberg never finished higher than 4th for the Selke)

In Sakic's peak Playoff he was the undisputed MVP with 18 goals and 34 points in 22 games.

I do think Forsberg has a very slight peak edge, but certainly not a large one when you take a good look at Sakic's peak


Why is it I am taking both sides of the argument?

Mostly because I do not like seeing either player demeaned.
This, my friend, is exactly how I'd like to be able to explain the "problem"

You are dead on, except for that "slight edge to Forsberg" part, but, eh, it is so close that I can't really argue and be 100% right.

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08-07-2008, 11:22 AM
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You mean "Peak" not Prime.

Sakic's prime is a large step ahead of Forsberg's because it was 15 years long and almost always healthy

His peak is almost equal.

In Sakic's peak Regular season year, he won a Hart, Pearson, Would have won an Art Ross if not For Lemieux's return(Jagr had 44 points in 38 games from October through December. He finished with 77 points in his final 43 games after Mario came back.) and he was Runner up for the Selke(Forsberg never finished higher than 4th for the Selke)

In Sakic's peak Playoff he was the undisputed MVP with 18 goals and 34 points in 22 games.

I do think Forsberg has a very slight peak edge, but certainly not a large one when you take a good look at Sakic's peak


Why is it I am taking both sides of the argument?

Mostly because I do not like seeing either player demeaned.
Forsberg was runner-up for the Selke in 97.

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08-07-2008, 11:42 AM
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Forsberg was runner-up for the Selke in 97.
Was he? I must have missed that year. Thank you for reminding me

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08-08-2008, 03:52 AM
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Mario was dominant for a long period of time DESIPITE his injuries and that his why he is so great. If he hadn't been injured/ill he would be considered as the best player ever and there would be virtually no arguments. Forsberg never was dominant during long periods and he never played at the level Mario did. Mario is in a league of his own, Forsberg isn't. Forsberg showed glimpse of brillance and a great peak value but if we're analysing both their peak yes, you could vote for either Sakic or Forsberg, but when you talk about prime, you HAVE to consider injuries and durability. Do comparable talent with such a disparity between their primes' lenght can REALLY be argued about? Especially considering the fact that one could make an argument for either guy when talking about peak value... Sakic longetivity and constance take the cake, IMO.

Oh, and, btw, call me back the day Forsberg scores 160+ points despite missing 24games...

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08-08-2008, 03:59 AM
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Sakic for me. Forsbergs peak may have been a bit better, but Sakics was much longer and not nearly as injury prone.

EDIT: Damn it Thornton19 always explains things much better, echos my sentiments exactly.

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08-08-2008, 04:36 AM
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Was Forsberg's prime better than the others? sure, but Sakic's lasted like 10 years so I'll take Joe.
That wasn't the question.

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Without Sakic Forsberg i don't think would of been as great as he was.... Ill take Joe!

How do you figure?


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His peak is almost equal.
Almost.


I can't stop hating Sakic, I have been ever since his Quebec days. He has the numbers, but I think he gets way to much credit when you look at his over all impact in the games. Even during his peak, he could be totally unnoticable, and still come away with 2 g & 1 a.

Statistically it looks great, but guys like Forsberg, Lindros & Fedorov dominated and stood out every shift they made, Sakic didn't.


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Forsberg.

In his peak there is only 3 other players I've seen on the same level as him (Started to follow the NHL in the early 90's) Lemieux, Lindros and Fedorov. (in their respective peaks from that period)

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Three of my favorite non-Red Wings...I'd definitely take a healthy Forsberg over pretty much any forward of the last 25 years. When he was at his best, he was incredible.

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An injury free Foppa by a large margin. Mats and Joe in my humble opinion are tied. I can only imagine the points Sundin could have put on the board had he a few wingers not named Hoglund, Riechel, Pokahontis, and until last year Antropov. And Joe, well because if I were a woman, I'd want to have his babies

All kidding aside, Its a tough choice really.

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Sundin is no where close to the other two guys.

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I take Foppa for being recognized as the best forward in the world in his prime, while Sakic has always been one of the best. However, in my mind, there's no bad pick between those two!

Funny thing is, the Nordiques had to decide which two of those three to keep! Amazing when you come to think about it. Pretty much like the Crosby-Malkin-Staal situation in Pittsburgh.

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That wasn't the question.




How do you figure?




Almost.


I can't stop hating Sakic, I have been ever since his Quebec days. He has the numbers, but I think he gets way to much credit when you look at his over all impact in the games. Even during his peak, he could be totally unnoticable, and still come away with 2 g & 1 a.

Statistically it looks great, but guys like Forsberg, Lindros & Fedorov dominated and stood out every shift they made, Sakic didn't.
Yep. We all know you think Lidstrom is the only guy allowed to be unnoticeable, play a quiet, extremely effective game and get credit for it. Yessir.

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As a Wings fan, Forsberg was always the guy who scared me the most when the Wings played the Avs. Numbers don't begin to tell the impact Forsberg had on a game. Sakic's a great player and I'd take him on my team any day of the week and twice on sunday--but Forsberg is the guy you gameplanned for. Between him, Lindros and Bure, the NHL lost a lot of star power to injury in the 90s and early 2000s.

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Prime:
Forsberg
Sakic
Sundin
Carreer
Sakic
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I take Foppa for being recognized as the best forward in the world in his prime, while Sakic has always been one of the best. However, in my mind, there's no bad pick between those two!

Funny thing is, the Nordiques had to decide which two of those three to keep! Amazing when you come to think about it. Pretty much like the Crosby-Malkin-Staal situation in Pittsburgh.
But they both have a Hart trophy, so they were recognized as the best forward in the world for the same amount of time (1 year).

Offensively, they were both overshadowed by Jagr most years.

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Prime:
Forsberg
Sakic
Sundin
Carreer
Sakic
Sundin
Forsberg
Prime: Forsberg, Sakic, Sundin

Career: Sakic, Forsberg, Sundin

Even with all his injury issues, he still accomplished alot more than Sundin did.

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Prime: Forsberg, Sakic, Sundin

Career: Sakic, Forsberg, Sundin

Even with all his injury issues, he still accomplished alot more than Sundin did.
Agreed, Foppa has actually won something in his career.

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That wasn't the question.




How do you figure?




Almost.


I can't stop hating Sakic, I have been ever since his Quebec days. He has the numbers, but I think he gets way to much credit when you look at his over all impact in the games. Even during his peak, he could be totally unnoticable, and still come away with 2 g & 1 a.

Statistically it looks great, but guys like Forsberg, Lindros & Fedorov dominated and stood out every shift they made, Sakic didn't.
Sakic gets the right amount of credit.

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Yep. We all know you think Lidstrom is the only guy allowed to be unnoticeable, play a quiet, extremely effective game and get credit for it. Yessir.
Hmm what is his position on the Lidstrom/Orr debates? hmmm...

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Three of my favorite non-Red Wings...I'd definitely take a healthy Forsberg over pretty much any forward of the last 25 years. When he was at his best, he was incredible.
Really, you would take Forsberg over Gretzky, Messier, Yzerman and Lemieux? Heck if we are talking pure staying healthy and peak, I wouldn't take Forsberg over Cam Neely or Eric Lindros

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Really, you would take Forsberg over Gretzky, Messier, Yzerman and Lemieux? Heck if we are talking pure staying healthy and peak, I wouldn't take Forsberg over Cam Neely or Eric Lindros
What?

Lindros I can see a case for, but Neely?

I am one of the biggest Neely supporters, but I would take a healthy Forsberg over Neely very quickly

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I voted Sakic, not because he was better than Forsberg. But because he carried that team with his skill, heart and soul for the 40% of the time that Forsberg was injured. Forsberg just came in fresh during the playoffs, usually, and blew everybody away with his skill.

He could make an argument for the best power play player in the history of the game.

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Three of my favorite non-Red Wings...I'd definitely take a healthy Forsberg over pretty much any forward of the last 25 years. When he was at his best, he was incredible.
Maybe on the PP...
Otherwise, that's just stupid.

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Forsberg, my fav.player since he scored like a million points in the WJC a few hundred years ago ;>

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What?

Lindros I can see a case for, but Neely?

I am one of the biggest Neely supporters, but I would take a healthy Forsberg over Neely very quickly
He's talking pure peak, I would take Neely at his peak over Forsberg, slightly.

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