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08-10-2008, 06:29 AM
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The Everything Mats Sundin Thread

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No one, least of all Glen Sather, knows what the Rangers would do if Mats Sundin unexpectedly declares his interest in playing this season on Broadway rather than in Vancouver, where the Canucks have a two-year, $20M offer on the table; or in Toronto, where the Maple Leafs unfathomably have a one-year, $7M offer out; or in Montreal, where the Canadiens have been holding a uniform for No. 13 since February.

It would be as difficult to reject Sundin as it would be to conjure the strategy to fit him under the team cap, and no, there is not a shred of truth to reports of the Blueshirts working on a massive salary-dump in order to clear space for him.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08102008...830.htm?page=2

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For once im hoping Brooks is right

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same here...not that sundin isnt a great player i guess i would just be scared to see who he would get rid of to have him

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Amen.

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Sundin Stay Away!!!!!

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I'll be happy if Brooks is correct on this one.

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In other News, Mats Sundin made his desicion...

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So pretty much the roster we have now we will be playing opening night?

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For once im hoping Brooks is right
i dont see a problem with adding another true seasoned professional (even at his age) to our team. with that being said, if its at the expense of our youth, then no, but if, and a big but if, we can sqeeze him in at no expense of youth playing, i think he would help our team big time. granted both drury and gomez have ring(s), i dont think they are at the caliber of sundin in terms of overall game/package.

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Procrastinator...how can Sundin not come to the Rangers at the expense of youth? And I'm still trying to figure out how the Rangers would even be able to afford the guy.

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So pretty much the roster we have now we will be playing opening night?
Too hard to say. The general consensus is that we're still short 1 top-six winger. A lot of people say that spot will be filled by Prucha, but frankly I still think there is one more move up Sather's sleeve.

That being said, he's cutting it pretty close to the start of the season.

Unless Drury or Dubinsky is moved to the wing and Fritsche center's the 3rd line, we've got an abundance of 3rd/4th liners-- which not only affects the Rangers roster, but the Wolfpack's as well. I believe they have a few spare bodies up front as well. Voros and Rissmiller at 1 mil a pop have to be almost assured a roster spot this year on the big club, and with the resigning of Sjostrom, that leaves: Rissmiller, Voros, Callahan, Sjostrom, Orr and Fritsche all competing for 4 spots on the wings.

But I don't want to turn this into another roster thread. I just really hope we don't ship off players to clear room for Sundin.

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08-11-2008, 11:33 AM
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Brooks is wrong. The NYR have been on Sundin's radar since Day 1, nothing has changed. Why do you think Sundin is taking so long to sign/retire? He's waiting to see if Slats can make a trade and free up some cap space.

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those are scary, but valid, points Alby. with a two-year $20MM offer on the table, you'd think he'd be signed. Of course if the Rangers would try to match that they would have to move considerable salary.

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Brooks is wrong. The NYR have been on Sundin's radar since Day 1, nothing has changed. Why do you think Sundin is taking so long to sign/retire? He's waiting to see if Slats can make a trade and free up some cap space.
It may also be that they are waiting for the NHLPA to trigger the CBA option so that they can add bonus money to Sundin's contract. It's also possible that they are waiting for that same thing in regards to Shanahan.

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Anyone see Eklund today? maybe we wouldn't have to clear a ton of space after all.

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According to multiple sources over the past two weeks I have heard that there is a very real chance that Mats will play for the Rangers for very little money.

Finally today a source confirmed that the number may be as little as 2 million.
That would be fantastic if true. only would need to dump about 1.5mil.

Prucha would be the obvious choice, but it would probably be wiser to just waive Rissmiller and Voros.

Drury-Gomez-Zherdev
Naslund-Sundin-Sjostrom (He needs some big bodies on his line)
Dawes-Dubinsky-Callahan
Fritsche-Betts-Prucha

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Anyone see Eklund today? maybe we wouldn't have to clear a ton of space after all.



That would be fantastic if true. only would need to dump about 1.5mil.

Drury-Gomez-Zherdev
Naslund-Sundin-Sjostrom (He needs some big bodies on his line)
Dawes-Dubinsky-Callahan
Fritsche-Betts-Prucha
Have to admit those lines are nice on paper.


Although I think you might get this:

Drury-Gomez-Zherdev
Naslund - Sundin- Dawes
Callahan/Korpeedo - Dubinsky - Shanahan/Voros
Fritsche-Betts- Sjo/Orr

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The real question here, is do we hold back someone like Korpikoski if he proves to be ready? There is definitely a log-jam as it is. Someone who doesn't deserve it will be held back as it is, and if we add Sundin, another will share that fate in hopes for another aging vet will work out.

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The real question here, is do we hold back someone like Korpikoski if he proves to be ready? There is definitely a log-jam as it is. Someone who doesn't deserve it will be held back as it is, and if we add Sundin, another will share that fate in hopes for another aging vet will work out.
If Korpedo is indeed ready, it would be disappointing, but if it comes down to icing a roster with all of Korpedo, Voros, Rissmiller, or just Sundin, you gotta go with the latter. Sundin is a lock for 75-80pts, when the combination of the 3 players that we'll either be "holding back" or just dumping in the AHL, would only have produced maybe 50 combined. So yes it's worth it.

How can you turn down any proven top line talent at $2mil for a prospect who might be able to play 2nd line minutes at best?

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If Korpedo is indeed ready, it would be disappointing, but if it comes down to icing a roster with all of Korpedo, Voros, Rissmiller, or just Sundin, you gotta go with the latter. Sundin is a lock for 75-80pts, when the combination of the 3 players that we'll either be "holding back" or just dumping in the AHL, would only have produced maybe 50 combined. So yes it's worth it.
We don't know that Sundin is a lock for anything.

Shanahan scored 40 goals the year before he came to the Rangers.

And, much like Shanahan causing Prucha's development to completely derail, Sundin would do the same for guys like Dubinsky and anyone else who shows that they are ready.

Our need is at wing. We need a top line winger. Not another center.

I would feel more comfortable with someone like Korpikoski being blocked, even from the 3rd line, if it was for a legit scoring winger.

But we really do not need another center.

Sundin is the wrong target. They could have easily gone after someone like Vermette or Vrbata instead of Rissmiller and Voros. I see no reason to sign another expensive center.

This is not to say Sundin isn't a great player, and that he wouldn't help the team this year... but at what cost? Both from the personnel and dollar amount aspects.

And this is Eklund, here, he is never correct, highly doubtful Sundin could be had at 2 mil.

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Sundin is the wrong target.
I don't disagree with your points that our need is on the wing... but moving Drury to the wing for a season is not the end of the world. Yes, Shanahan may have been a 40 goal scorer the year before he came to the Rangers, but his decline didn't really come until late in his first NYR season (further, if you go ask Detroit fans, the same thing occurred there, with him declining heavily late in the season). Until the collision and concussion, Shanahan was on pace for 35+ goals that first NYR season. After the concussion, he's been down hill.

Sundin doesn't come with that same amount of baggage, and isn't on the same level of decline as Shanahan imo. The key thing is, Sundin creates his own offense, whereas Shanahan needs to be handfed at this point in his career.

I don't believe Sundin can be had for $2m. However, if he could, I dump Prucha like a hot potato to make room for him. Even with having to move Drury to the wing (and I really like the idea of Drury with Gomez and Sundin with Naslund) you're adding a whole other offensive dynamic to the team. Sundin may be on the decline, but he's a lot closer to to top of the hill than Shanahan, who from watching him at the end of the season appears to be already at the bottom.

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If we can sign Mats Sundin for $2M/1Y, we would be INSANE not to do it. It would allow Drury to play his sniper role on Gomez's wing, and would allow the scoring on the second line to come from down the middle and the left side from Naslund.

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If we can sign Mats Sundin for $2M/1Y, we would be INSANE not to do it.
Well said... too bad it's Eklund, because I'd be ecstatic if it happened.

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Well said... too bad it's Eklund, because I'd be ecstatic if it happened.
I agree, I don't think there is a chance in hell it happens. However if the opportunity presented itself, we would have to do it.

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