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08-11-2008, 12:03 PM
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Kyle Okposo or Patric Hornqvist

just looking for opinions which do you think has the higher upside and will be the better player, thanks.

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08-11-2008, 12:12 PM
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just looking for opinions which do you think has the higher upside and will be the better player, thanks.
definitely Okposo

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Okposo all the way.

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08-11-2008, 12:25 PM
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Is this a serious question?

Okposo

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08-11-2008, 12:43 PM
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Well Okposo was selcted at #7 and is #1 in Islanders Prospect rankings. Hornqvist was selected where? #230 last in the draft. Is it really needed to ask this question? Okposo obviously not even close, he's lightyears ahead.

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08-11-2008, 12:58 PM
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hornqvist will probablystart the season on the Preds 2nd line, so we will see.

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Well Okposo was selcted at #7 and is #1 in Islanders Prospect rankings. Hornqvist was selected where? #230 last in the draft. Is it really needed to ask this question? Okposo obviously not even close, he's lightyears ahead.
So I guess Kris Beech was "lightyears ahead" of Henrik Zetterberg? Was Manny Malhotra "lightyears ahead" of Pavel Datsyuk?

Once you sign your entry-level deal, draft position is irrelevant.

I really don't think this is a fair comparison in terms of playstyle, since Okposo is more of a powerforward and Hörnqvist is more of a pure sniper. Both will be good players, it's entirely possible that both score 20+ goals this year. I think Okposo will be the better player but they're both going to be impact forwards.


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Well Okposo was selcted at #7 and is #1 in Islanders Prospect rankings. Hornqvist was selected where? #230 last in the draft. Is it really needed to ask this question? Okposo obviously not even close, he's lightyears ahead.
Zetterberg anyone?

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hornqvist will probably start the season on the Preds 2nd line, so we will see.
So is Fiddler gonna be on the first line again?

We have two successful pairs on our top two lines: Arnott and Dumont on the first line, and Legwand and Erat on the second line. Keeping those two together, it makes sense to put Hörnqvist, the best of the three rookie forwards (Hörnqvist, Antti Pihlström and Ryan Jones), and possibly the best forward outside the base quartet on the top two lines, on the first line and then put Jones or a free agent to be named on the second line.

The way Trotz plays his rookies, though, Fiddler will be on the first line, Peverley on the second, and the 4th line will be Hörnqvist-Nichol-Jones and Pihlström will be in Milwaukee.

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So I guess Kris Beech was "lightyears ahead" of Henrik Zetterberg? Was Manny Malhotra "lightyears ahead" of Pavel Datsyuk?
Hornqvist doesn't even have 1/16th of the hype Zetterberg had when he came over. He may have low draft position in common with Zetterberg, but it ends there. If you're expecting similar success I think you're in for a *****slap of a reality check. I think Preds fans will be lucky if he's Ville Peltonen 2.0.

Okposo for sure has the edge and then some when factoring potential.

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So I guess Kris Beech was "lightyears ahead" of Henrik Zetterberg? Was Manny Malhotra "lightyears ahead" of Pavel Datsyuk?

Once you sign your entry-level deal, draft position is irrelevant.

I really don't think this is a fair comparison in terms of playstyle, since Okposo is more of a powerforward and Hörnqvist is more of a pure sniper. Both will be good players, it's entirely possible that both score 20+ goals this year. I think Okposo will be the better player but they're both going to be impact forwards.
O have seen Hornqvist many times. Actually IMO he's an agressive type of player, he plays physical, can drop the gloves and get under skin. For example Kovalchuk got really stupid penalty because he was mad at small Hornqvist who laid a great hit on him and Kovalchuk attacked Hornqvist from behind.

As for dratft position, it was sarcasm towards posters who made this thing and were saying it's Okposo not even close.

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08-11-2008, 01:41 PM
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Hornqvist doesn't even have 1/16th of the hype Zetterberg had when he came over. He may have low draft position in common with Zetterberg, but it ends there. If you're expecting similar success I think you're in for a *****slap of a reality check. I think Preds fans will be lucky if he's Ville Peltonen 2.0.

Okposo for sure has the edge and then some when factoring potential.
We are living in America!


If Hornqvist was drafted by Edmonton or Toronto or Rangers he would have been hyped. He is drafted by Nasville so he isn't.

He is not like Peltonen at all. Different type of player. He was arguably Djurgerden's best forward for 2 straight seasons, made WC as a junior, and was probably the best forward for Sweden in Eurotour. Pretty impressive for 21 y.o?

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If Hornqvist was drafted by Edmonton or Toronto or Rangers he would have been hyped. He is drafted by Nasville so he isn't.

He is not like Peltonen at all. Different type of player. He was arguably Djurgerden's best forward for 2 straight seasons, made WC as a junior, and was probably the best forward for Sweden in Eurotour. Pretty impressive for 21 y.o?
Zetterberg never received hype from any American media. He was hyped by Swedish press and Canadian media, first of all. Look at Kristian Huselius, who was more hyped than all in question. Where did he start out? Oh yeah, Florida, you know... the hub of hockey. You think that's where the hype came from? No. He was suppose to come over and dominate the NHL, but he didn't.

Second of all, I wasn't comparing style to Peltonen just statistical performance. Go ahead and list me the number of 20+ year old Swedes who come over and pot 20 goals in their first season from the past 10 years. I know you didn't make the claim, so that's not necessarily for you, but the poster who did can and will see how unlikely it is to happen.

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Kyle Okposo way ahead of Hornqvist.

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08-11-2008, 02:13 PM
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I like Hörnqvist a lot and have seen him a lot in Djurgården and Team Sweden but I'd be pretty surprised if he turned out better than Okposo.

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While I'd obviously choose Okposo over Hornqvist based on the "safe" factor alone, a lot of people are talking out their butts simply because they don't know who Hornqvist is, just how good he's been for the last few years, and the kind of numbers he's been putting up. We're talking about a guy who tied Forsberg's rookie scoring record, has out performed "sexier" players like Brunnstrom, and has succeeded in every forum he's tackled. He was one of Sweden's best players at the WC's this year, despite being one of their youngest players. He's very likely to be playing in Nashville's top six this year with PP time on top of that.

You can say that Okposo is the better prospect, and you may be right...but to try to put down Hornqvist while doing so makes you look foolish and uninformed.

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For next year it's a toss up long term I'd take Okposo.

Okposo should turn out as a 1st line 75 pts power forward whhile Hornqvist becomes a 2nd line pest with 50-60 pts.

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well regardless, they are both going to be very high quality NHLers.

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Not a fair comparison at all, IMO. Two totally different style of players.

Upside? I will take a stab at it...

Okposo: 75-80 points
Hornqivst: 55-65

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Definitely see Okposo having higher upside.

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While I'd obviously choose Okposo over Hornqvist based on the "safe" factor alone, a lot of people are talking out their butts simply because they don't know who Hornqvist is, just how good he's been for the last few years, and the kind of numbers he's been putting up. We're talking about a guy who tied Forsberg's rookie scoring record, has out performed "sexier" players like Brunnstrom, and has succeeded in every forum he's tackled. He was one of Sweden's best players at the WC's this year, despite being one of their youngest players. He's very likely to be playing in Nashville's top six this year with PP time on top of that.

You can say that Okposo is the better prospect, and you may be right...but to try to put down Hornqvist while doing so makes you look foolish and uninformed.
So did Robert Nilsson, and that makes me fail to see your point about that statement.

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So did Robert Nilsson, and that makes me fail to see your point about that statement.
1.Nilsson is a good player.
2. He never scored more that 8 goals in SEL, Hornqvist scored 23 as a junior. He speaks about this record.
3.Once again Nilsson is a skill player, Hornqvist is a gritty sniper-agitator.

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You can say that Okposo is the better prospect, and you may be right...but to try to put down Hornqvist while doing so makes you look foolish and uninformed.
No, you just come off as a Preds fanboy. You can talk up Hornqvist left and right, but facts are facts, and the vast majority of hyped 20+ year olds from the SEL don't exactly come into the NHL setting the world on fire. Kristian Huselius is a perfect example of a kid that was hyped far before he was even signed by the Panthers. The anticipation grew all year long on these forums and by the end of the year he was expected to be the Calder favorite the following season when he signed. He had a solid rookie season, but has not quite lived up to the initial hype.

I wouldn't expect more than what Huselius did his first year for Hornqvist, tops. Anything more would be unrealistic fanboy expectations. So I'm not exactly putting Hornqvist down, I'm just saying SLOW YOUR ROLL. Every year kids on these boards who haven't been out of diapers long enough to realize, the vast majority of prospects don't pan out as expected and to place such lofty expectations on them more often than not leads to huge dissapointments.

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I would take Okposo if I had to pick one, but its closer than a lot of people thinks IMO..

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