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08-11-2008, 02:11 PM
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while they're still very good, they are going to end up being paid around 12M dollars, which is about 3-4 million dollars above market price for what the sedins bring to the table (45 goals).
So when the Sedins turn a a player such as Anson Carter into a 30 goal scorer, or Taylor Pyatt into a 20+ goal scorer, that has no bearing on their value?

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while they're still very good, they are going to end up being paid around 12M dollars, which is about 3-4 million dollars above market price for what the sedins bring to the table (45 goals).
That would only make sense if they assisted exclusively on each other's goals, which obviously isn't the case. Any winger next to these two is going to put up 20, and a legitimate top six winger would probably put up 30. Take that into account, as well as any goals from defensemen, and that pushes their unit's goal production to around 80-90.

This argument is made using your incredibly over-simplified point of view, which i wholly disagree with. Goals are not the end-all of value. I just wanted to show you why you are wrong using your own logic.

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If only Burke was able to pull off the Nash deal ...

Epic, epic fail for Gillis and the Canucks if the Sedins hit UFA.

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If only Burke was able to pull off the Nash deal ...

Please explain, what was the supposed offer and what year was this?

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I could definetly see the Islanders giving them both great offers

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Please explain, what was the supposed offer and what year was this?
According to Burke he tried to make a trade to move up in the 2002 draft in order to select Rick Nash. Considering the Canucks did not even have a 1st round pick in that draft(dealt for Linden) my guess is that he tried to package recent 1st round pick and Ohio State star RJ Umberger and maybe a young d-man off the roster such as Brent Sopel or Bryan Allen. Obviously not close to enough and why any supposed deal didn't occur.

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According to Burke he tried to make a trade to move up in the 2002 draft in order to select Rick Nash. Considering the Canucks did not even have a 1st round pick in that draft(dealt for Linden) my guess is that he tried to package recent 1st round pick and Ohio State star RJ Umberger and maybe a young d-man off the roster such as Brent Sopel or Bryan Allen. Obviously not close to enough and why any supposed deal didn't occur.

Thanks for the info. Thank god he didn't go to Vancouver. Nash is my fav player. He became my fav player after his 1st season. If he was drafted by Vancouver, I wouldn't have chosen him to be my fav player. Even though I live in Vancouver, I cheer against the Canucks because it makes the rivalry interesting(I like the Oilers and now the Jackets because of Nash). I would have never chosen a Canuck to be my fav player. I have a stupid feeling that if Nash tests the UFA waters when he becomes a UFA, I could see him signing in Vancouver. I don't know if I would cry because he would go to my least fav team and I would have to start cheering for the Nucks. Then again,being able to watch him all season would be nice. Lets not talk about this eve again.

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I'd trade the sedins for spezza and heatley.
So would everyone.

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I'd trade the sedins for spezza and heatley.
I'd trade Sykora for Ovechkin.

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multiple points on the same goal shouldnt matter when judging the effectiveness of a pair.
Yet it does matter.

To carry entire plays alone and still score a goal isn't easy.

That's why you don't see plenty of Ovechkins running around.

To carry plays with another talent and score a goal is easier.

That's why clubs try to go for more talent -- because two is harder to shutdown than one.

To carry plays with two other talents and score goals is even easier.

That's why offensive depth is important & expensive -- because everyone wants one (supply & demand), and because three is harder to shutdown than two, or one.

The above shows that:

Because teammates obviously affect goals scored in this team game: points get awarded for their assistance.




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points dont mean ****.

Goals produced do
Points come with goals scored.

So if points mean nothing, so must the goals that come with it.

Which leaves you with assists.

If assists don't mean ****, then you've got a lot of overrated players here:




Datsyuk 31g 66a 97pts
Very good player but not the 97 pointer everyone is raving about.

Just a very good goal scorer.




Thornton 29g 67a 96pts
Couldn't crack 30 goals this year, though still a good goal scorer.

But no playmaking ability. Because passing don't mean **** in hockey. Neither does the ability to see the ice well.




Savard 22g 74a 96pts
A perennial low goal scorer. Those are last year's stats. This year, only 15 goals.

His 96 points is laughable. Goals are everything.




Campbell 8g 54a 62pts
Might only be 8 goals, but he's a defenseman. The question is why was he highly regarded in last season's deadline.

What was everyone smoking, to jump at this guy's 8 goals.




Spezza 34g 58a 92pts
One of the top goal scorers. Anything over 30 goals is good.

Not a playmaker.




Lecavalier 40g 52a 92pts
No complaints.

But 92 points don't mean ****.




Iginla 50g 48a 98pts
One of the best. Strong with the puck. Good leader. Almost the complete package.

Can't pass.




Ovechkin 65g 47a (112 non-existent pts)
Hockey is a one-man game. Everyone should score 65 goals like this guy.

It should be all about who can score the fastest, the mostest. No defense. No brawl. No goalies. Just goalz.




St. Louis 25g 58a 83pts
Goal production went down from 43 to 25.

Bad year.




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they are going to end up being paid around 12M dollars, which is about 3-4 million dollars above market price for what the sedins bring to the table (45 goals).
Think about this:

That high 12M figure comes from you.

Now the amount itself is irrelevant.

What's interesting is, you yourself see the Sedins fetching a huge amount of money.

If the league really was all about goals, why would a measly 22.5 goals per twin, fetch such a huge sum of cash.

Either the market for 22.5 goals is drastically overinflated..

Or you're missing something.

Just like you missed goals setup by the Sedins for others.

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If they each want to make a name for themselves, I'd see them each playing for different teams. The fun conflict for the Canucks is, if they were to sign just one of them, which one do they choose? Do they purposely sign the one and let the other one go?

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If only Burke was able to pull off the Nash deal ...

Epic, epic fail for Gillis and the Canucks if the Sedins hit UFA.
There is no way if Gillis can't resign them that he would allow them to turn UFA

He would trade them for assets/players/picks before July 1

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I could see the Isles offering $10M each.

Sedin (10)-Sedin (10)-Okposo (1.67)
X-X-Hunter (2)
Sim (1.0)-Nielsen (0.525)-Park (0.750)
Bergenheim (0.862)-X-Joensuu (0.85)
X, X

Streit (4.1) Witt (3.0)
Martinek (1.5) Campoli (0.633)
Sutton (3) Gervais (0.74)
X

DiPietro (4.5)
X

=$45.13M. Assuming a rise in the cap to $60M, you have $15M to sign two top sixers, three PBers and a backup. Easily done.

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Wang and Snow would have to be crazy to offer the Sedins 10 million each. Oh wait.

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I could see the Isles offering $10M each.
Haha, you're ridiculous. The Isles may be able to afford to spend $20M on two players, but they won't.

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at the deadline for the Sedins.

Sedin-Sedin-Kulemin
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Haha, you're ridiculous. The Isles may be able to afford to spend $20M on two players, but they won't.
If the Lighthouse Project is approved by next year's free agency, Wang will spend all it takes to get a "face" for the offense

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