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Exhibit A as to how hockey doesn't matter on ESPN:
Last night an ESPN program was discussing how the Detroit Pistons needed a hero citing the heroes on the Detroit Tigers, Detroit Lions and no mention of the Detroit Red Wings. All this despite the Red Wings probably being the most succesful team in Detroit right now.
He's a better defenseman. He played the toughest competition among defenseman on his team (Phaneuf was 3rd on his team), averaged more ice-time then any other skater in the league and had comparable BTN numbers doing it. They're similar in terms of goal scoring, but Phaneuf gets more assists.
Why? Well, no offense to Phanny but 18 or so of the top 30 point scorers from last year was in the East, not the West. Dion does play in a more defensive conference, opposed to Bouwmeester who plays in a more offensive conference. Significance - Bowmy faces more competition than Dion does.
Bouwmeester also doesn't have the best support on his team, I mean who does he have to help him on the blue line? Bryan Allan is probably the best support he gets. What does Phanny have? Regehr, Aucion, and Eriksson.
Bouwmeester also led the league on ATOI and his job is to play defense first, not score. Not bad goal scorer either being top 5 dman in goals.
For me, its Bouwmeester, maybe if he played in a playoff team and didn't have to hold the weight of his team's blue line - he could hit 50 points [he has hit 46 before so its not impossible].
Though Phanny is good as well [I am not saying he isn't as good as Bouwmeester, since I choose him by a hair] and I would love to have just for his ability to get under someone's skin and lay the hits. But, in the end I would take Bouwmeester.
Why? Well, no offense to Phanny but 18 or so of the top 30 point scorers from last year was in the East, not the West. Dion does play in a more defensive conference, opposed to Bouwmeester who plays in a more offensive conference. Significance - Bowmy faces more competition than Dion does.
Bouwmeester also doesn't have the best support on his team, I mean who does he have to help him on the blue line? Bryan Allan is probably the best support he gets. What does Phanny have? Regehr, Aucion, and Eriksson.
Bouwmeester also led the league on ATOI and his job is to play defense first, not score. Not bad goal scorer either being top 5 dman in goals.
For me, its Bouwmeester, maybe if he played in a playoff team and didn't have to hold the weight of his team's blue line - he could hit 50 points [he has hit 46 before so its not impossible].
Though Phanny is good as well [I am not saying he isn't as good as Bouwmeester, since I choose him by a hair] and I would love to have just for his ability to get under someone's skin and lay the hits. But, in the end I would take Bouwmeester.
Gotta say great post, quite convincing. Is going to be really interesting to see what Bouw develops into when he leaves Floria and how Phaneuf turns out in his prime.
Dion does play in a more defensive conference, opposed to Bouwmeester who plays in a more offensive conference. Significance - Bowmy faces more competition than Dion does.
I'm not sure I get it. Bouwmeester gets less points because he plays in a more offensive conference? J-Bo should be racking up tons of points... especially playing in the division he does.
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Bouwmeester also doesn't have the best support on his team, I mean who does he have to help him on the blue line? Bryan Allan is probably the best support he gets. What does Phanny have? Regehr, Aucion, and Eriksson.
Lol, I get the feeling you don't get many opportunities to watch many Flames games.
Phaneuf.. it's not even close. He's already been nominated for a Norris, scored 20 goals as a rookie, and his defensive game isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.
bouwmeester. phaneuf is significantly better offensively, but bouwmeester is much much better defensively. plus, i think bouwmeester's skill set projects a higher peak than phaneuf. and he may not make the big hits or have the big shot, but bouwmeester's higher hockey IQ and instincts will carry him ten years from now, even after his skating may have dropped a notch.
Why? Well, no offense to Phanny but 18 or so of the top 30 point scorers from last year was in the East, not the West. Dion does play in a more defensive conference, opposed to Bouwmeester who plays in a more offensive conference. Significance - Bowmy faces more competition than Dion does.
Bouwmeester also doesn't have the best support on his team, I mean who does he have to help him on the blue line? Bryan Allan is probably the best support he gets. What does Phanny have? Regehr, Aucion, and Eriksson.
Bouwmeester also led the league on ATOI and his job is to play defense first, not score. Not bad goal scorer either being top 5 dman in goals.
For me, its Bouwmeester, maybe if he played in a playoff team and didn't have to hold the weight of his team's blue line - he could hit 50 points [he has hit 46 before so its not impossible].
Though Phanny is good as well [I am not saying he isn't as good as Bouwmeester, since I choose him by a hair] and I would love to have just for his ability to get under someone's skin and lay the hits. But, in the end I would take Bouwmeester.
Regehr had Sarich, Regehr and Aucoin. Erikkson was the worst defenceman on that team by a country mile. Bouwmeester had little support and had to shut down the toughest opposition whilst Phaneuf got butter minutes in the second pairing, being sheltered from top players.
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SK13 how are they similar in terms of goal scoring? In the past three years Bouwmeester had 5, 12 and 15. Phaneuf had 20, 17 and 17.
15 and 17. I only pulled last years stats, didn't think it would matter.
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I'm not sure I get it. Bouwmeester gets less points because he plays in a more offensive conference? J-Bo should be racking up tons of points... especially playing in the division he does.
Florida was 20th in goals-per-game. Calgary was 14th. Dion Phanuef played against such all-stars all Ethan Moreau, Ryan Kesler and James Sheppard last year, Bouwmeester was matched up with Ovechkin, Eric Staal, Ilya Kovalchuk and Vincent Lecavalier. You don't see the logic there?
Lol, I get the feeling you don't get many opportunities to watch many Flames games.
Phaneuf.. it's not even close. He's already been nominated for a Norris, scored 20 goals as a rookie, and his defensive game isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.
He just didn't deserve his nomination. I don't see why 20 goals as a rookie qualifies him as better now - he hasn't matched that since. And regardless of where his defensive game is (and he's still playing sheltered minutes), Bouwmeester is considerably better in that category.
I'm not sure I get it. Bouwmeester gets less points because he plays in a more offensive conference? J-Bo should be racking up tons of points... especially playing in the division he does.
Lol, I get the feeling you don't get many opportunities to watch many Flames games.
Phaneuf.. it's not even close. He's already been nominated for a Norris, scored 20 goals as a rookie, and his defensive game isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.
I think the point is that Bouw faces more offense that he's tasked with shutting down than Phaneuf does. And that makes sense, even considering the division alone. It doesn't really matter that Phanuef himself scores more, if Bouw is better at shutting down other scorers.
I voted Bouw. They're both good, Phaneuf has the better offense and toughness, but Bouw is by far the better one defensively and he's a real workhorse.
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