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Phaneuf or Bouwmeester

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Phaneuf 126 79.75%
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08-14-2008, 09:04 AM
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2 great young D men,I like Bouwmeester more

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08-14-2008, 11:12 AM
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Haven't we done this exact same poll 3 or 4 times this offseason?

Same answer. Phaneuf.

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08-14-2008, 11:13 AM
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Phaneuf's hitting really makes the difference for me, he is a terrific stand-up blueliner

He makes everyone keep their head up, he has a cannon of a shot, and is equally good in all three zones

Boumeester is terrific as a blueliner but Phaneuf is slightly better

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08-14-2008, 11:33 AM
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Phaneuf's hitting really makes the difference for me, he is a terrific stand-up blueliner

He makes everyone keep their head up, he has a cannon of a shot, and is equally good in all three zones

Boumeester is terrific as a blueliner but Phaneuf is slightly better
No he's not.

Seriously, you want your star players out against him over Regehr and Sarich 10 times out of 10. He's way easier to expose.

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08-14-2008, 11:36 AM
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Phaneuf is good but overrated.

I went with Bouwmeester
I always thought it was bouwmeester who was just a bit overrated...

so phaneuf

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08-14-2008, 11:37 AM
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Easy: Dion

After watching loads of JayBo the last couple f years (being a caps fan) I have to say I'm unimpressed. He's good, don't get me wrong, but his name gives him the hype.

I just don't see him living up to his predraft billing.

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08-14-2008, 12:56 PM
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Phaneuf doesn't even go against Thornton's, Hemsky's [for example], Datsyuk's etc....It's Reghyr's job along with Cory Sarich.

Defensively, I'll take Jay Bouwmeester though Phaneuf isn't very far. In everything else, I'll take Phaneuf so my vote goes to Phaneuf.

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08-14-2008, 01:00 PM
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It pains me as an Oiler fan to say Phaneuf.

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08-14-2008, 01:03 PM
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Personally, I'd rather have Bouwmeester. And it's not because I hate Dion Phaneuf. I'd be happy with either one.

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08-14-2008, 01:06 PM
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08-14-2008, 01:39 PM
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I'm not sure I get it. Bouwmeester gets less points because he plays in a more offensive conference? J-Bo should be racking up tons of points... especially playing in the division he does.



Lol, I get the feeling you don't get many opportunities to watch many Flames games.

Phaneuf.. it's not even close. He's already been nominated for a Norris, scored 20 goals as a rookie, and his defensive game isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.
Well, its because of the division he doesn't get much points. I mean - Ovechkin, Staal, Kovalchuk, St. Louis, Vinny, Backstrom, Semin, etc. Plus he also plays other Eastern teams like Montreal and such more than the Flames do. I am not saying there isn't any talent in the West - far from it - just saying the East is more open than the west.

Now when you go up against the top players your job is to play defense - not score. He has to shut down - or prevent - the others from scoring. Plus like I said he was top 5 in goals for a dman so he does have offensive talent.

As for Flames game - not really I went by stats and the only Dman closest to playing the same time as Bowmy is Allen. He has 21 ATOI while Bowmy has 27, then it drops to Jassen Cullimore whose ATOI is about 17 min. Not really the best Dman support. As for Phaneuf - I looked at who he got support from and since I assumed since Erickson averaged 20 minutes or so and had 18 points that he was a good dman didn't know he sucked. My bad - stats fooled me.

But like I said - Phaneuf is good and I choose Bowmy by a hair since he doesn't have the same hockey market in FLA like there is in CLG so he isn't as noticed plus he doesn't exactly have a playoff team. I choose him since if he was on a better team with more support and had a reliable Dman to support him he could do better.


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Regehr had Sarich, Regehr and Aucoin. Erikkson was the worst defenceman on that team by a country mile. Bouwmeester had little support and had to shut down the toughest opposition whilst Phaneuf got butter minutes in the second pairing, being sheltered from.
LOL - again my bad when I looked at the stats 20 ATOI and 18 points in 65 games didn't look bad. But I was fooled.

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08-14-2008, 01:52 PM
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Well, its because of the division he doesn't get much points. I mean - Ovechkin, Staal, Kovalchuk, St. Louis, Vinny, Backstrom, Semin, etc. Plus he also plays other Eastern teams like Montreal and such more than the Flames do. I am not saying there isn't any talent in the West - far from it - just saying the East is more open than the west.

Now when you go up against the top players your job is to play defense - not score. He has to shut down - or prevent - the others from scoring. Plus like I said he was top 5 in goals for a dman so he does have offensive talent.

As for Flames game - not really I went by stats and the only Dman closest to playing the same time as Bowmy is Allen. He has 21 ATOI while Bowmy has 27, then it drops to Jassen Cullimore whose ATOI is about 17 min. Not really the best Dman support. As for Phaneuf - I looked at who he got support from and since I assumed since Erickson averaged 20 minutes or so and had 18 points that he was a good dman didn't know he sucked. My bad - stats fooled me.

But like I said - Phaneuf is good and I choose Bowmy by a hair since he doesn't have the same hockey market in FLA like there is in CLG so he isn't as noticed plus he doesn't exactly have a playoff team. I choose him since if he was on a better team with more support and had a reliable Dman to support him he could do better.




LOL - again my bad when I looked at the stats 20 ATOI and 18 points in 65 games didn't look bad. But I was fooled.
True, Phaneuf plays on the PP with the likes of Iginla and Huselius and he does play in a market like Calgary so he does have a better opportunity to shine but Phaneuf is a workhorse. He can play (and he does play) in all types of situations and he does fairly well. Bouwmeester may have been first in the league in TOI but just take a wild guess who was second.

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08-14-2008, 01:59 PM
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True, Phaneuf plays on the PP with the likes of Iginla and Huselius and he does play in a market like Calgary so he does have a better opportunity to shine but Phaneuf is a workhorse. He can play (and he does play) in all types of situations and he does fairly well. Bouwmeester may have been first in the league in TOI but just take a wild guess who was second.
Dan Boyle, Zdeno Chara, Nicklas Lidstrom then Phaneuf.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/statis...type=2&pos=all



Though Boyle missed a lot of games so he really doesn't count bit still its not Dion thats 2nd

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Florida was 20th in goals-per-game. Calgary was 14th. Dion Phanuef played against such all-stars all Ethan Moreau, Ryan Kesler and James Sheppard last year, Bouwmeester was matched up with Ovechkin, Eric Staal, Ilya Kovalchuk and Vincent Lecavalier. You don't see the logic there?

Thank you for actually even bothering to mention the best players in the NW.

He just didn't deserve his nomination. I don't see why 20 goals as a rookie qualifies him as better now - he hasn't matched that since. And regardless of where his defensive game is (and he's still playing sheltered minutes), Bouwmeester is considerably better in that category.

It doesn't matter whether or not you think he did or didn't deserve, the Professional Hockey Writers Association sure did and I think I value their opinion on who deserves to be nominated slightly more than yours. In any case, Phaneuf was nominated, Bouwmeester wasn't. Why? Because Phaneuf was the better defencemen of the two.

I was just using the goals as an example to show that part of his game. His goal total has only dropped by 3 but his # of points have been climbing.

I don't see how you can be second in TOI in the league and still be playing sheltered minutes. Just because Regehr does it slightly better, doesn't mean Phaneuf can't do a hell of a job. Phaneuf plays in all situations; when the game is on the line, you can bet your money that Phaneuf is out there.

I hate to bring intangibles in here but those are something Phaneuf possesses. He is a pest, he absolutley loves getting under the skin of the oppoition and he does a great job. He's also vocal and is a leader (from what I have seen)
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Dan Boyle, Zdeno Chara, Nicklas Lidstrom then Phaneuf.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/statis...type=2&pos=all



Though Boyle missed a lot of games so he really doesn't count bit still its not Dion thats 2nd
TOI total. Still even TOI per game, he's still top 5. Look at that, more minutes than Regehr and Sarich.

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TOI total. Still even TOI per game, he's still top 5. Look at that, more minutes than Regehr and Sarich.
LOL - ah hush you!
I misread and thought you forgot the "A" by accident.
But ya in that case its Dion.

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Don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument there Oiler fans.

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Defensively, I'll take Jay Bouwmeester though Phaneuf isn't very far. In everything else, I'll take Phaneuf so my vote goes to Phaneuf.
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not to mention playing with eriksson helped improve phaneufs defensive game last season

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Phaneuf is good but overrated.

I went with Bouwmeester
Overrated? C'mon the guy puts of double digit goals every season he's played in, how much better to do you want him to be? Bouwmeester isn't over rated?

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I voted Bouwmeester for the lulz.

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I pick J Bo.

Better passer, skater and defensive player.

Phaneuf is a better scorer and hitter but still takes himself out of position to make that hit with relative frequency.

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Phaneuf

norris finalist and a game changer

cant say the same for JBo even though he is a great player as well

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Overrated? C'mon the guy puts of double digit goals every season he's played in, how much better to do you want him to be? Bouwmeester isn't over rated?
You ahve to take into consideration, that Dion takes quite a lot of unnecessary penalties. Don't know if many of them led to a goal, but being on the penalty kill is always bad. That is the only knock I have on Dion as of know. Hope he will mature a bit.

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I'm still waiting for Bouwmeester to live up to the hype. He a fine player but IMO he just hasn't earned the praise he gets. Perhaps a change of scenery would do him good.

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