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08-18-2008, 07:54 PM
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SKost or Higgins switched to center ?

Which one of Sergei Kostitsyn or Chris Higgins would you change position to become a centerman? I know full well that Higgy is a former C but I think he lacks the faceoff ability needed and doesnt necessarily have the vision and passing ability needed to be effective at that position. SKost has those abilities albeit he probably can't take faceoffs like an NHL centerman. Which one would be the best player as center ?

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I wouldn't switch either one.

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Neither. We tried it last year with both of them and it was a disaster. You can't just switch a winger over to center and expect him to perform the same, especially when he's been a winger for the majority of hockey-playing life. There's a much bigger defensive responsibility involved as well.

If you held a gun to my head though, I'd say Higgins.

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Chipchura answers this question. Both Higgins and Sergei are comfortable in their positions IMO. Moving either to C might be a detriment. Higgins maybe but he's been out of the position for a while now. Hopefully Chips has faceoff winning magic.

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I agree, neither.

Maxime and Kyle can do the job.

Nobody can do Sergei's job on the right and on the left, I think Chris is our 2nd best left wing. Ok, Christopher had similar stats than Andrei, but according to a lot of people, Andrei had an amazing season while Christopher had a sub-par season, at least, from what people expected.

Don't forget, on the right wing, we only have Alexei that is good, after that, our top RW is Sergei.

But, trying Christopher on center would give room to another left wing, if he's trying to steal a spot: Max Pacioretty.

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I wouldn't switch either one.
THat would be my answer, too. My backup option would be to try both.

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I agree, neither.

Maxime and Kyle can do the job.

Nobody can do Sergei's job on the right and on the left, I think Chris is our 2nd best left wing. Ok, Christopher had similar stats than Andrei, but according to a lot of people, Andrei had an amazing season while Christopher had a sub-par season, at least, from what people expected.

Don't forget, on the right wing, we only have Alexei that is good, after that, our top RW is Sergei.

But, trying Christopher on center would give room to another left wing, if he's trying to steal a spot: Max Pacioretty.
If it came to that, I think the Habs would switch Latendresse to a higher line before they called up Pacioretty. Still. Pacioretty could surprise us right from training camp.

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If one of Plekanec or Koivu go down for a bit, I wouldn't mind Higgins playing center for a couple games. What else would we do? Plekanec-Chipchura-Lapierre-Begin? Yuck.

Let's face it, we were unbelievably lucky last year with injuries, if Plekanec or Koivu are out for a couple months, Bob needs to make a move pronto.

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Neither. We tried it last year with both of them and it was a disaster. You can't just switch a winger over to center and expect him to perform the same, especially when he's been a winger for the majority of hockey-playing life. There's a much bigger defensive responsibility involved as well.

If you held a gun to my head though, I'd say Higgins.
No, but you can switch a winger to center if you give them training camp, practices, and pre-season games to get the accustomed to that position rather than what, 48 hours and two practices?

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Chipchura answers this question. Both Higgins and Sergei are comfortable in their positions IMO. Moving either to C might be a detriment. Higgins maybe but he's been out of the position for a while now. Hopefully Chips has faceoff winning magic.
Maybe he got a genie over the summer.. because he's going to need something to improve that 44% in the face-off circle from last season.

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Maybe he got a genie over the summer.. because he's going to need something to improve that 44% in the face-off circle from last season.
He doesn't need that big of a turnaround bud. He's 22, at that age it's all about the learning curb.

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How many threads do you think we've had with this idea? It's got to be at least a half dozen.

Man it's a slow offseason.

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Maybe he got a genie over the summer.. because he's going to need something to improve that 44% in the face-off circle from last season.
His faceoff improved back in Hamilton. I hope the org has worked closely on that aspect of his game. I am thrilled with his defensive and offensive puck possesion skills. No one can get the puck away from him. Excellent puck holding skills in heavy traffic.

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Ok, Christopher had similar stats than Andrei, but according to a lot of people, Andrei had an amazing season while Christopher had a sub-par season, at least, from what people expected.
Higgins: 3rd NHL season
A. Kostitsyn: 1st NHL season

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If one of Plekanec or Koivu go down for a bit, I wouldn't mind Higgins playing center for a couple games. What else would we do? Plekanec-Chipchura-Lapierre-Begin? Yuck.

Let's face it, we were unbelievably lucky last year with injuries, if Plekanec or Koivu are out for a couple months, Bob needs to make a move pronto.
I totally agree, as a short term answer to losing Plekanec or Koivu (2 or 3 games). I would be ok with either S.Kost or Higgins filling in. But anything longer then that I would hope Gainey would make a move.

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No, but you can switch a winger to center if you give them training camp, practices, and pre-season games to get the accustomed to that position rather than what, 48 hours and two practices?
I still don't think it's a good idea.

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Higgins was a center when he was in college and in the ahl, but in the nhl he hasn't been very good at faceoffs. S kost we tried last year and it failed miserably. The good thing is that we have chips and max who could fill the void at center if someone gets injured.

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Higgins was a center when he was in college and in the ahl, but in the nhl he hasn't been very good at faceoffs. S kost we tried last year and it failed miserably. The good thing is that we have chips and max who could fill the void at center if someone gets injured.
Do you really feel confident if one of our top 2 centers goes down with an injury for a long period of time. Knowing that Chipchura or Lapierre are the ones that would be filling in?

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I agree, neither.

Maxime and Kyle can do the job.

Nobody can do Sergei's job on the right and on the left, I think Chris is our 2nd best left wing. Ok, Christopher had similar stats than Andrei, but according to a lot of people, Andrei had an amazing season while Christopher had a sub-par season, at least, from what people expected.

Don't forget, on the right wing, we only have Alexei that is good, after that, our top RW is Sergei.

But, trying Christopher on center would give room to another left wing, if he's trying to steal a spot: Max Pacioretty.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! argh our top RW is akost not skost its akosts natural position and he shoots left so obviously he would be more effective from the right...

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Why so much focus on the center?

Is it really where we are weak?

I believe, it's my opinion, it's coming from my point of view (am I clear enough that it's my opinion?) that we need to improve other areas in order to compete against Detroit and Pittsburgh.

I believe, it's my opinion, blablabla, that we need to allow less shots on goal and eventually that will lead to less goals.

Montreal was 1st in offense and PP last season. Sure, we were first in offense because of our PP and it didn't work well in the playoffs. But Detroit was first in goals allowed and shots allowed on goal.

I believe Montreal needs to improve that aspect. A good center will help us in that departement, for sure, but we have 2-3 defensemen that aren't the top guys in the league. Again, I'm always comparing or analysing in order to beat Detroit, not to beat Columbus.

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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! argh our top RW is akost not skost its akosts natural position and he shoots left so obviously he would be more effective from the right...
Is it hard to write Andrei Kostitsyn?

Andrei is a left wing with Montreal, not a right wing. Alexei is the right wing on their line.

Sergei is a lefty playing on the right wing since he came to North-America, but he was often playing center in Belarus. I guess he was centering the line he was playing with his brother, but I'm not sure about that. I still have a hard time reading russian, but it's getting there.

I think it's hard to play opposite wing at a higher level, I think it's easier at lower levels.

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Is it hard to write Andrei Kostitsyn?

Andrei is a left wing with Montreal, not a right wing. Alexei is the right wing on their line.

Sergei is a lefty playing on the right wing since he came to North-America, but he was often playing center in Belarus. I guess he was centering the line he was playing with his brother, but I'm not sure about that. I still have a hard time reading russian, but it's getting there.

I think it's hard to play opposite wing at a higher level, I think it's easier at lower levels.
True Andrei is the left winger on his line. But his natural position is right wing, that's why most posters are saying they would like to see him on the right wing.

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I think a lot of the posters will agree, the explosive plays from Andrei Kostitsym comes from the play developing from the center or Right wing and him moving right to left...so a lot of us would like to see him play right wing full time.

As for the original question...Neither or only in Emergency.

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How many threads do you think we've had with this idea? It's got to be at least a half dozen.

Man it's a slow offseason.
Most offseasons deteriorate to this level on hockey forums. It says something when there are so many posts about Georges Laraque. Still, the Sundin-plays-Hamlet situation is intriguing.

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