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08-19-2008, 12:39 PM
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Stoll probably won't produce much at all. He's a place holder and I doubt he'll have any more impact than say a Willsie or Armstrong. I'll wait for the kids to kick in. mess of a trade that was Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene...pathetic one sided excuse of a deal, if you gotta dump his salary at least get something useful for him.
You know lots of people are going to come back to this post when the season is over with right?

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For reals???
Well...

If Stoll plays like he did this year/last year then we got hosed big time.

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If Stoll plays like he did this year/last year then we got hosed big time.
And if Visnovsky plays like he did last year? And continues to play that way for the next 4 years at his salary, then what?

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You know lots of people are going to come back to this post when the season is over with right?
I think Stoll will be solid. As much as I am aganst DL I liked this trade. It took some balls but if he truly believes in the direction he is going then it wasn't too bad of an idea to get a solid bruiser and a buy low center for a bloated contract.

I guess Stoll will get 55 to 60 points.

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I think Stoll will be solid. As much as I am aganst DL I liked this trade. It took some balls but if he truly believes in the direction he is going then it wasn't too bad of an idea to get a solid bruiser and a buy low center for a bloated contract.

I guess Stoll will get 55 to 60 points.
very well put, ninja!

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08-19-2008, 02:55 PM
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If Stoll cracks 60 pts. and is able to anchor our second line, I have no problems with the trade. I can't imagine who our second line RW will end up as, though. Ideally, it would be Purcell, but the jury's still out on whether or not he can even handle a full season in the NHL at this point in his development.

Whatever the case, our second line will be a fantastic two way line with Stoll and Frolov.

Our goals against might just not be as bad next season. I mean, we have a slew of defensive forwards. If Murray can implement a solid TEAM defense system, our blueline may not look as weak as we all think it will.

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Kings just need to sign Stoll for 2-3 years to make me happy...b/c in that time he and Greene will still be in there 20's and Visnovsky will be pushing 34 and making 6 million.

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I am not saying that you do not have legitimate sources.....but it has been almost a week since you posted this and we have heard nothing about Stoll signing a new contract. Either it was pure speculation on the part of your source(s) or negotiations have hit a snag.
My original post stated the deal had been negotiated a couple weeks earlier and agreed up on by both parties but I still hadn't seen it posted. I inferred this already and said there may have been a change since it hasn't been announced officially. I don't know what the hold-up may be. As for my source, he is as close to the negotiations as humanly possible so I doubt it's "speculation" on his part...

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And if Visnovsky plays like he did last year? And continues to play that way for the next 4 years at his salary, then what?

Lubo, for all the crying on this board, was a vastly better player last year then Stoll has been in his whole career.

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Lubo, for all the crying on this board, was a vastly better player last year then Stoll has been in his whole career.
I like Lubo, but he was awful last season. He had more turnovers than any other player on the team and ranked very high in that category in the entire league.

Stoll has been to a Stanley Cup Final, so no way that Lubo was vastly better last season than Stoll has been in his entire career. Take the blinders off.

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I like Lubo, but he was awful last season. He had more turnovers than any other player on the team and ranked very high in that category in the entire league.

Stoll has been to a Stanley Cup Final, so no way that Lubo was vastly better last season than Stoll has been in his entire career. Take the blinders off.
Correction the Edmonton Oilers went to the Stanley Cup Finals......Stoll was just a member of the team. Please do not act like Stoll was an key player in getting the Oilers to the finals. Using that logic is like saying that Hudler is better than Kopitar because Jiri has a Championship ring and Anze does not.

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Lubo was a defensive liability (and should be traded).

At best Lubo was a good PP specialist. We got that in Stoll for the trade. I'm of the opinion that this was a pretty lateral move.

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Correction the Edmonton Oilers went to the Stanley Cup Finals......Stoll was just a member of the team. Please do not act like Stoll was an key player in getting the Oilers to the finals. Using that logic is like saying that Hudler is better than Kopitar because Jiri has a Championship ring and Anze does not.
I usually agree with pretty much everything you have to say, but definitely not this. Stoll was a HUGE part of that 05/06 Edmonton run. He was probably their best penalty killer the entire playoffs and won so many key faceoffs, especially in the SCF.

Besides Pisani's fluke outburst and the play of Chris Pronger, I don't remember any other Oiler playing as well as Stoll. He was unanimously considered the Oilers' next captain after that run.

I agree that he's run into some scary concussion issues and he's definitely a question mark going into next season, but don't discount what he did on the Oilers, especially in that Finals run. And don't discount how valuable he can be to the Kings if he rebounds.

The Visnovsky trade was a roll of the dice for both teams. End of story.

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Funny thing about concussions...once you have a serious one, you are rarely the same player. It comes and goes without reason, it is all but impossible to control and, unlike a muscle or joint injury, the healing process is neither guaranteed, predictable or manageable. How many potential great players have been eliminated from the game because of concussions? The Kings have a little experience with this.

The worst part is if you get a second serious one, it is seismic. It's not just twice as bad. It is over.

Big risk.

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Funny thing about concussions...
Big risk.
You're telling this to a bunch of fans who lived through the Adam Deadmarsh era... on behalf of us all, let me just say...

No ****.

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Funny thing about concussions...once you have a serious one, you are rarely the same player. It comes and goes without reason, it is all but impossible to control and, unlike a muscle or joint injury, the healing process is neither guaranteed, predictable or manageable. How many potential great players have been eliminated from the game because of concussions? The Kings have a little experience with this.

The worst part is if you get a second serious one, it is seismic. It's not just twice as bad. It is over.

Big risk.
Hopefully for us Stoll is more in the ilk of Roenick who can still come back and perform after not just one, bust SEVERAL concussions. Granted he never was as good as he was early in his career, but not a disaster career crippled by concussions.

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Funny thing about concussions...once you have a serious one, you are rarely the same player. It comes and goes without reason, it is all but impossible to control and, unlike a muscle or joint injury, the healing process is neither guaranteed, predictable or manageable. How many potential great players have been eliminated from the game because of concussions? The Kings have a little experience with this.

The worst part is if you get a second serious one, it is seismic. It's not just twice as bad. It is over.

Big risk.
And it's fair to say there have been just as many players who received serious concussions and eventually returned to form.

Obviously it's a big risk; no one is arguing that. But Stoll hasn't experienced any post-concussion syndromes in quite a while. I think it's safe to assume that he's 100% healthy. The guy did play a full season last year.

Nonetheless, the biggest thing about concussions (and other career threatening injuries) is what they do to a player's psyche. A normally aggressive, gritty player (like Stoll) will tend to hold back coming off such a serious head injury. They won't take as many chances as they normally would out of fear of a second occurrence. It's all about regaining psychological form and rekindling the fire. There's usually a "feeling out" phase that happens after such an injury, when a player returns to the ice 100% objectively healthy, but has to find their game again. Some players return to form. Some don't.

Both Handzus and Stoll went through this last season. Have they found their game again and will they return to form? I have no idea. But we'll know after next season.

But for the most part, yeah, it's a huge risk and could either pay huge dividends or cause Lombardi his job.

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Correction the Edmonton Oilers went to the Stanley Cup Finals......Stoll was just a member of the team. Please do not act like Stoll was an key player in getting the Oilers to the finals. Using that logic is like saying that Hudler is better than Kopitar because Jiri has a Championship ring and Anze does not.
That isn't what I said at all, but don't let reality get in the way of your negativity.

Stoll was very good in Edmonton's run to the finals. Visnovsky was awful last season. Tell me which one I am wrong about.

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That isn't what I said at all, but don't let reality get in the way of your negativity.

Stoll was very good in Edmonton's run to the finals. Visnovsky was awful last season. Tell me which one I am wrong about.
Don't worry, Squidward would never let anything get in the way of his negativity.

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I usually agree with pretty much everything you have to say, but definitely not this. Stoll was a HUGE part of that 05/06 Edmonton run. He was probably their best penalty killer the entire playoffs and won so many key faceoffs, especially in the SCF.

Besides Pisani's fluke outburst and the play of Chris Pronger, I don't remember any other Oiler playing as well as Stoll. He was unanimously considered the Oilers' next captain after that run.
Well I respect your opinion but I do not remember him being that great during that playoffs run. The stats pretty much support my recollection as well. Stoll was 10th on the Oilers in points and only had 4 goals in 24 playoff games. He had the worst plus/minus rating on the entire team with a -4. He did have a good face off % at 57% (still only a little over half)......but that is definitely not the reason the Oilers made it to the finals. He was in the middle of the pack in terms of ice time on the team.

Now I am not saying that Stoll was riding the pine during the playoffs. But the efforts of Pronger, Horcoff, Pisani, Smyth and Roloson were more instrumental in getting the team to the Finals. Stoll was in the supporting cast. Being in the supporting cast on a team that made it to the Finals does not propel a player like Stoll ahead of other players in the league who have not made the playoffs.

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That isn't what I said at all, but don't let reality get in the way of your negativity.

Stoll was very good in Edmonton's run to the finals. Visnovsky was awful last season. Tell me which one I am wrong about.
Actually that is not what you said. You said ....

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Stoll has been to a Stanley Cup Final, so no way that Lubo was vastly better last season than Stoll has been in his entire career.
That statement indicates that being to the Stanley Cup Finals trumps anything Lubo did last season. There are plenty of players in the league who are not very good players that have been to the Stanley Cup Finals.

But let's not let reality get in the way of your ridiculous statement.

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Actually that is not what you said. You said ....



That statement indicates that being to the Stanley Cup Finals trumps anything Lubo did last season. There are plenty of players in the league who are not very good players that have been to the Stanley Cup Finals.

But let's not let reality get in the way of your ridiculous statement.

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I wish your computer would get in the way off a truck.
I wish you could make a post that actually contributed to the conversation instead of trying to insult and or critique other people. But we love having you here.

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My original post stated the deal had been negotiated a couple weeks earlier and agreed up on by both parties but I still hadn't seen it posted. I inferred this already and said there may have been a change since it hasn't been announced officially. I don't know what the hold-up may be. As for my source, he is as close to the negotiations as humanly possible so I doubt it's "speculation" on his part...
Obviously something happened before the contract was signed or it would have been announced long ago. Maybe Stoll is having second thoughts about wanting to be a Kings player long term?

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