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08-19-2008, 04:56 PM
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Andrei for me, but I always like the goal scorer over the playmaker.. And Andrei scores some very very nice goals, and will continue to do so.

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Andrei isnt only highly skilled, unlike most europeans, this kid is built extremmely strong and likes physical contacts, I just love the way he plays the game, he learnt how to play an effective 2-way game and does it extremmely well right now.. He is the complete package, hard heavy shot, excellent skater, great stickhandler, excellent to protect the puck, uses his strength pretty well to win battles along the board, can pass, can score.. He isnt Ovechkin but will become an elite winger thats for sure..

Sergei is skilled alot, has a great vision and plays with an edge but I dont think he is at the same level as his brother in term of overall skills..

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08-19-2008, 06:55 PM
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Andrei will be the better goal scoring highlight reel type player. Sergei will be the playmaker who puts up tonnes of assists with some good snipers, maybe his brother down the line. I can see them interchanging who gets the most points year to year. They will be better than the Sedins when they get going that's for sure.
I agree, good post...Sergei is younger and has less experience but cause he played in the OHL he is progressing faster than his older brother. I think sergei will cement his position this season. He is a PP specialist and a great playmaker with some sandpaper in his game. It will be great to watch these kids continue to develop on the Habs roster..

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08-21-2008, 11:55 AM
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Everyone knows that they have very different styles and sets of skills.

I would like to see them on the same line to get the most out of each other. Koivu or Plekanec would be good centers for them. Or Sundin... or Grabovski... Oh yeah, he's gone for the rights to speak to Sundin a week before July 1st...
Grab went for a pick and Pateryn. We gave nothing for the rights to talk.

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I think people are a bit high early on for Sergei. I think he'll be a good player, but let him play a full NHL season first.

My vote goes to Andrei, since I think he should be a perennial 35-35 scorer, whereas I'm still not sure how good Sergei will end up.

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08-21-2008, 12:26 PM
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Andrei, however I don't think he can carry a team. I don't think sergei can either, but sergei has the ability to make those around him better whereas andrei compliments a line.
I don't think it's true...

Remember the CAT line. Andrei was the one who was feeding Plekanec who got quite a few goals because of Andrei's sick passing. I don't think he can carry a team either, but he sure can adapt in any role. IMO, it's hard to make your linemates better when you play with Kovalev, because it's his job. Wait to see him with someone else, you'll be surprised.

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I don't think it's true...

Remember the CAT line. Andrei was the one who was feeding Plekanec who got quite a few goals because of Andrei's sick passing. I don't think he can carry a team either, but he sure can adapt in any role. IMO, it's hard to make your linemates better when you play with Kovalev, because it's his job. Wait to see him with someone else, you'll be surprised.
Exactly, good post..

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08-21-2008, 01:20 PM
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Very high expectations, I like it. But personally, I would be thrilled if the Kostitsyn's come close or equal what the Sedins have done so far.
Well they already have half of the Sedin's playoff point totals and only one of them has played a full season yet(which was his first).

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I think people are a bit high early on for Sergei. I think he'll be a good player, but let him play a full NHL season first.

My vote goes to Andrei, since I think he should be a perennial 35-35 scorer, whereas I'm still not sure how good Sergei will end up.
I think a lot of people are high on him because he showed he could adapt to the NHL game so quickly. I remember his first game quite well. The first period was a little sketchy, but after that he was actually controlling play a bit and making smart plays out there. He has that uncanny ability to read the play so well and adapt to it. Also, he was one of our most consistant players in the postseason, which is quite unique when it comes to rookies(he didn't even play a full season).

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Sergei Kostitsyn will be better... Andrei will be close, but will have some consistency problems...


For thoses who said that Andrei is way more skilled than Sergei, I disagree !! Sure Andrei can dangle more and has better shots arsenal, but knowing to play defense and to read the play that well at such a an early age is a talent on his own, which is Sergei's main strenght. Let's just say that they have different kind of talent... Sergei close theses "Technicals" gap by having a better hockey sense and being more complete as a player. Does Having better dangling abilities and shots necessarly means more talented and effective ? Not at all. Also, it's not like Sergei can't dangle or can't shoot... he can pretty well dangle himself and his shots are NHL caliber too, just a little slow release...


I see Andrei more like the perfect complementary player, a little bit like Milan Hejduk in his prime or a Poor version of Markus Naslund, while Sergei will be more like the catalyst of his line in the mold of Ales Hemsky, The new Mike Ribeiro or Marc Savard...


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I don't think it's true...

Remember the CAT line. Andrei was the one who was feeding Plekanec who got quite a few goals because of Andrei's sick passing. I don't think he can carry a team either, but he sure can adapt in any role. IMO, it's hard to make your linemates better when you play with Kovalev, because it's his job. Wait to see him with someone else, you'll be surprised.
I agree.The kid can pass just remember that sick pass he made to Pleks against the Sens last year on that tic tac toe play,it was unreal

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Flip a coin, because I think both will become star players in the future. But if I'm forced to choose now, my vote goes to Andrei.
Right now, surely Andrei is the better player.


I think it really depends on whom they get to play with...

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I think Sergei will turn out similar to Saku Koivu and Andrei will turn out similar to Alex Kovalev.

I guess Andrei will put up the better numbers.
I agree. Sergei is the next Saku Koivu and Andrei is the next Alexei Kovalev.

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Sergei Kostitsyn will be better... Andrei will be close, but will have some consistency problems...


For thoses who said that Andrei is way more skilled than Sergei, I disagree !! Sure Andrei can dangle more and has better shots arsenal, but knowing to play defense and to read the play that well at such a an early age is a talent on his own, which is Sergei's main strenght. Let's just say that they have different kind of talent... Sergei close theses "Technicals" gap by having a better hockey sense and being more complete as a player. Does Having better dangling abilities and shots necessarly means more talented and effective ? Not at all. Also, it's not like Sergei can't dangle or can't shoot... he can pretty well dangle himself and his shots are NHL caliber too, just a little slow release...


I see Andrei more like the perfect complementary player, a little bit like Milan Hejduk in his prime or a Poor version of Markus Naslund, while Sergei will be more like the catalyst of his line in the mold of Ales Hemsky, The new Mike Ribeiro or Marc Savard...

Although I agree that andrei is a complimentary player and I do agree that sergei is a playmaker who makes those around him better, I don't see him as a catalyst to his line either. If I had to choose one to build around, it would be andrei.

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Sergei Kostitsyn will be better... Andrei will be close, but will have some consistency problems...
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hahahaha ... he will have consistency problems ... Did you see that in your crystal ball or in your cup of tea ?

Anyway Andrei was very consistent last year especially in the last half of the season.

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Right now, surely Andrei is the better player.


I think it really depends on whom they get to play with...
I agree, what I meant was that I'm a big fan of both. So choosing one over the other was hard for me.

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Although I agree that andrei is a complimentary player and I do agree that sergei is a playmaker who makes those around him better, I don't see him as a catalyst to his line either. If I had to choose one to build around, it would be andrei.
If so, we only have Kovalev as a core player... Because in my mind, AK46 might be our 2nd best forward right now.

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If so, we only have Kovalev as a core player... Because in my mind, AK46 might be our 2nd best forward right now.
By complimentary I mean core, although not franchise. I do not think andrei can carry a team like ovechkin or a true elite talent. That doesn't mean I don't like andrei, he's one of my favourite players. 2nd best is debatable also but i see where you're coming from.

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By complimentary I mean core, although not franchise. I do not think andrei can carry a team like ovechkin or a true elite talent. That doesn't mean I don't like andrei, he's one of my favourite players. 2nd best is debatable also but i see where you're coming from.
Price is our franchise player. Andrei Kostitsyn is our second best offensive forward behind Kovalev and I do think A. Kost on the RW has enough skill and dynamics as a hockey player to carry his own line.

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Price is our franchise player. Andrei Kostitsyn is our second best offensive forward behind Kovalev and I do think A. Kost on the RW has enough skill and dynamics as a hockey player to carry his own line.
Pleky says Hi as the most complete forward on the team


I think Andrei could become someone like Kovalchuk, maybe not as elite but the same kind of player... Sick shot and great decking abilities..

Sergei is like a bigger, badder Martin St.Louis...

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I'd easily pick Andrei. He plays the game like I believe a star should play. He's big; he's fast; he has great vision; he can pass, and his shot is something to see.

Sergei's going to be a good player, but he's skinny, so it limits his options around the net. He has great passing skills, and great vision, and he does know how to use the size he does have to good effect, but he doesn't have the potential to dominate like his brother does.

Offer every GM in the league their pick of one of either Kostitsyn, and I believe every single one of them will choose Andrei without giving it a second thought.

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I'd easily pick Andrei. He plays the game like I believe a star should play. He's big; he's fast; he has great vision; he can pass, and his shot is something to see.

Sergei's going to be a good player, but he's skinny, so it limits his options around the net. He has great passing skills, and great vision, and he does know how to use the size he does have to good effect, but he doesn't have the potential to dominate like his brother does.

Offer every GM in the league their pick of one of either Kostitsyn, and I believe every single one of them will choose Andrei without giving it a second thought.

You will be surprise by what Sergei will be able to do !! It's way more closer than what you think.

Just you watch !!


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You will be surprise by what Sergei will be able to do !! It's way more closer than what you think.

Just you watch !!

I agree, Sergei's my favorite player, I think he can do even better than his bro, even though he's not as purely skilled. His hockey sense, smarts and drive I think will make up for it. Andrei was feeding off his linemates last year, I'm not sure he would've had the same success put in Sergeis position. I thought Sergei carried the play better and I liked his post-season more.

Who cares anyways, both are awesome and both are Canadiens, now that's something to get excited about.

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Who cares anyways, both are awesome and both are Canadiens, now that's something to get excited about.
Absolutely!

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You will be surprise by what Sergei will be able to do !! It's way more closer than what you think.

Just you watch !!

I'll be happily surprised if that's the case.

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Sergei Kostitsyn will be better... Andrei will be close, but will have some consistency problems...


For thoses who said that Andrei is way more skilled than Sergei, I disagree !! Sure Andrei can dangle more and has better shots arsenal, but knowing to play defense and to read the play that well at such a an early age is a talent on his own, which is Sergei's main strenght. Let's just say that they have different kind of talent... Sergei close theses "Technicals" gap by having a better hockey sense and being more complete as a player. Does Having better dangling abilities and shots necessarly means more talented and effective ? Not at all. Also, it's not like Sergei can't dangle or can't shoot... he can pretty well dangle himself and his shots are NHL caliber too, just a little slow release...


I see Andrei more like the perfect complementary player, a little bit like Milan Hejduk in his prime or a Poor version of Markus Naslund, while Sergei will be more like the catalyst of his line in the mold of Ales Hemsky, The new Mike Ribeiro or Marc Savard...
Pretty much exactly the way I see it. And Hemsky is a really good comp for Sergei - their early career numbers match up really well.

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hahahaha ... he will have consistency problems ... Did you see that in your crystal ball or in your cup of tea ?

Anyway Andrei was very consistent last year especially in the last half of the season.
I think it's fair to predict potential consistency problems for Andrei, given the amount of false starts he had in North America. Don't get me wrong, I think Andrei's great, but I don't think anyone can deny that Sergei's had a smoother start to his career.

IMO, some posters are overvaluing physical skills, and undervaluing what these guys are actually able to get done in terms of helping their team win.

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