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08-23-2008, 04:58 PM
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Huh?

Gomez and Henrik Sedin have different styles, of course, but in terms of their role on the team, they're the same player. I've never been a fan of having even who guy who fills their role on the team, much less two. They're both second line centers.

Demitra should be better than he is. He's only 33, he should still have a year or two left. Hopefully the reins will be loosened with the influence of Lemaire gone, and he can recapture some of his magic, but I doubt he'll ever be the player he was.

As a whole, this isn't very frightening, especially not in the Western Conference. If you add Gomez to Vancouver right now, and I'm not even subtracting anything, which you would have to do in some capacity if they traded for him, I see them finishing behind Detroit, San Jose, Dallas, Anaheim, and Edmonton for sure, and wouldn't be surprised if they did worse than the Flames, the Blackhawks, the 'Yotes. The Avalanche and the Wild are going to fall this year, I feel.
Gomez and Sedin are both 2nd line centres?

In what magical world do 2nd line centres put up over 70 points? Your analyis of where they finish is laughable as well. Worse than Anaheim and Edmonton for sure? That's funny because Gomez would be Edmonton's best forward next year.

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08-23-2008, 05:05 PM
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I can only hope this is true. I'd love to see Gomez added to the Canucks.

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08-23-2008, 05:07 PM
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No more than a 2nd and 3rd round pick for gomez. That contract is an albatross and is the jeff finger contract for forwards.
Cept the fact that Gomez is actually a 1st line center...where finger is a #5 dman.

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08-23-2008, 05:11 PM
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Cept the fact that Gomez is actually a 1st line center...where finger is a #5 dman.
Finally something a rags fan said, i agree with.

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08-23-2008, 05:23 PM
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Dream on.

Rangers are desperate to shed salary, they aren't going to be able to (a) get the player they want in Sundin, (b) trade salary in Gomez to get Sundin and (c) then get two 1st round draft picks in a three-way deal in one of the deepest drafts in years next summer.

Demitra and Gaborik weren't that lethal in Minny.
When all of a sudden did the Rangersbecome desperate to move Gomez Salary?

Where are you getting this BS from?

The Rangers allowed Jagr to leave and handed the team over to Gomez and Drury and I doubt they are looking at movomg Gomez for 1 MAYBE 2 years of Sundin which isn't that much of an upgrade (although I admint Sundin is an upgrade)

Some of the comments I have seen here are downright ********. Kesler for Gomez? Please stop with the insane BS.

The Rangers team concept, while changing a bit this year coming, is going to allow them to move a guy like Roszival before they move Gomez. It also is going to allow them to create a much deeper forward group which makes they that much tougher to play against.

Gomez will be here with or without Sundin.

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08-23-2008, 05:26 PM
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I really hope this doesn't happen.

Gomez is a good player but I want that contract far away from the canucks.

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08-23-2008, 05:30 PM
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When all of a sudden did the Rangersbecome desperate to move Gomez Salary?

Where are you getting this BS from?

The Rangers allowed Jagr to leave and handed the team over to Gomez and Drury and I doubt they are looking at movomg Gomez for 1 MAYBE 2 years of Sundin which isn't that much of an upgrade (although I admint Sundin is an upgrade)

Some of the comments I have seen here are downright ********. Kesler for Gomez? Please stop with the insane BS.

The Rangers team concept, while changing a bit this year coming, is going to allow them to move a guy like Roszival before they move Gomez. It also is going to allow them to create a much deeper forward group which makes they that much tougher to play against.

Gomez will be here with or without Sundin.
Exactly.

One thing people seem fail to understand is the Rangers are not looking to move Gomez.

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08-23-2008, 05:35 PM
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if this went through, what does it mean for Vcr UFAs next summer, specifically the Sedins? Are they going to want $7M+ too?

That contract is an albatross, no doubt about it. I think Gomez is a good player and he's young, and if Gillis canget the Sedins extended for $5M or so each, I'd love to see Gomez here... But not at the cost of much more than Krajicek, Pyatt, 3rd.

If those of us who believe the NTC and contract diminish his trade value are wrong, and a bidding war does ensue, then I hope the Canucks stasy away.

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That contract is an albatross, no doubt about it.
Sure doesn't seem like the Rangers think so.

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Gomez and Sedin are both 2nd line centres?

In what magical world do 2nd line centres put up over 70 points? Your analyis of where they finish is laughable as well. Worse than Anaheim and Edmonton for sure? That's funny because Gomez would be Edmonton's best forward next year.
Well, they finished worse than edmonton last year and one team has gotten better while the other has gotten worse.

Tough to accept I know, but your team is gonna be garbage

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Screw the Rangers, they just go and sign free agents and now they can use them as trade bait to better their team in other ways. Simply because of the fact that they are New York and can attract free agents.

They don't ever really need Sundin, Vancouver does. I hope we don't make this trade. Doesn't Gomez have a NTC anyways? Gomez isn't even a PPG player and he's making like what? 8 million a season? No thank you.

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Screw the Rangers, they just go and sign free agents and now they can use them as trade bait to better their team in other ways. Simply because of the fact that they are New York and can attract free agents.

They don't ever really need Sundin, Vancouver does. I hope we don't make this trade. Doesn't Gomez have a NTC anyways? Gomez isn't even a PPG player and he's making like what? 8 million a season? No thank you.

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They don't ever really need Sundin, Vancouver does.
So go get him. You won't hear this Ranger fan complain.

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Screw the Rangers, they just go and sign free agents and now they can use them as trade bait to better their team in other ways. Simply because of the fact that they are New York and can attract free agents.

They don't ever really need Sundin, Vancouver does. I hope we don't make this trade. Doesn't Gomez have a NTC anyways? Gomez isn't even a PPG player and he's making like what? 8 million a season? No thank you.
No you missed the most important part, Gomez is just another playmaker on a team full of them...Henrik, Demitra, Wellwood...

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08-23-2008, 06:09 PM
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Done from a Rangers perspective. The player the Rangers get with Vancouver's pick would probably be NHL ready right out of the draft; probably will be in Schroeder/Duchene/Kadri range. Having 3, count them, 3 first rounders in this year's draft would be absolutely lethal. Maybe 2 of them could be used to trade up and grab one of Tavares, Hedman, Paajarvi, Schenn, or Cowan with this scenario.

One can dream.
I'd just like to chime in cause a lot of people seem to be writing off the Canucks already, and I don't really blame them, but they're more likely to make the playoffs than not.

Last year was a freak year. Our defense was injured. A lot. But, as you'll see, in 06/07 where we won the division, our defense was the same except healthier and our forwards were much worse than they are now, especially if Gomez is added to the lineup.

So really, the team will compete, but the question is how healthy the defense can be, or else we'll have Rob Davison on the top pairing, and nobody wants that.

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So go get him. You won't hear this Ranger fan complain.
OK well I would if I could, unfortunately this is a bit out of my control.

Well you personally will not complain, because the Rangers can do without Sundin, they've already got a fairly good group of fowards.

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OK well I would if I could, unfortunately this is a bit out of my control.

Well you personally will not complain, because the Rangers can do without Sundin, they've already got a fairly good group of fowards.
Not really my friend. only top 6 capable players on the team are Drury, Gomez, Naslund, and Zherdev. Dawes is a 3rd liner as of now, and Prucha is, well prucha you dont know how he'll be.

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Screw the Rangers, they just go and sign free agents and now they can use them as trade bait to better their team in other ways. Simply because of the fact that they are New York and can attract free agents.

They don't ever really need Sundin, Vancouver does. I hope we don't make this trade. Doesn't Gomez have a NTC anyways? Gomez isn't even a PPG player and he's making like what? 8 million a season? No thank you.
I don't get it....You think the Rangers suck because they want to improve their team? It's not a matter of needs at all. Sundin would make the Rangers better...Even IF Gomez is traded. Although I would think Rosival is traded before Gomez....

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When all of a sudden did the Rangersbecome desperate to move Gomez Salary?

Where are you getting this BS from?

The Rangers allowed Jagr to leave and handed the team over to Gomez and Drury and I doubt they are looking at movomg Gomez for 1 MAYBE 2 years of Sundin which isn't that much of an upgrade (although I admint Sundin is an upgrade)

Some of the comments I have seen here are downright ********. Kesler for Gomez? Please stop with the insane BS.

The Rangers team concept, while changing a bit this year coming, is going to allow them to move a guy like Roszival before they move Gomez. It also is going to allow them to create a much deeper forward group which makes they that much tougher to play against.

Gomez will be here with or without Sundin.
I think they would be crazy to move Gomez. I am only suggesting the obvious.

In oder to get Sundin on your roster for a 1 or 2 year hit to win the cup you'll have to get rid of Gomez, Drury or Rozsival to make room under the cap.

If you think he is coming for $2 million your obviously sniffing gas.

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I don't get it....You think the Rangers suck because they want to improve their team? It's not a matter of needs at all. Sundin would make the Rangers better...Even IF Gomez is traded. Although I would think Rosival is traded before Gomez....
A weak D in New York gets weaker with a Rozsival trade.

And the Rangers aren't better with Jagr and Gomez gone and replaced with Sundin and Naslund. Don't forget that Avery is gone too and Shanny isn't exactly a for sure thing either.

I think the Rangers need Sundin with Gomez and the other forwards there as well. It is hard to do though because of the cap, the Redden signing was a bad move by Sather to me.

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I don't get it....You think the Rangers suck because they want to improve their team? It's not a matter of needs at all. Sundin would make the Rangers better...Even IF Gomez is traded. Although I would think Rosival is traded before Gomez....
Well I don't think the Rangers suck. I really don't like them though, because they can basically sign any free agent they want. While the Canadian teams struggle to sign any.

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A weak D in New York gets weaker with a Rozsival trade.

And the Rangers aren't better with Jagr and Gomez gone and replaced with Sundin and Naslund. Don't forget that Avery is gone too and Shanny isn't exactly a for sure thing either.

I think the Rangers need Sundin with Gomez and the other forwards there as well. It is hard to do though because of the cap, the Redden signing was a bad move by Sather to me.
The Rangers have a weak defense? They were second in the East in GA and 6th in the league. And they have made moves to improve the defense.

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A weak D in New York gets weaker with a Rozsival trade.

And the Rangers aren't better with Jagr and Gomez gone and replaced with Sundin and Naslund. Don't forget that Avery is gone too and Shanny isn't exactly a for sure thing either.

I think the Rangers need Sundin with Gomez and the other forwards there as well. It is hard to do though because of the cap, the Redden signing was a bad move by Sather to me.
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A weak D in New York gets weaker with a Rozsival trade.

And the Rangers aren't better with Jagr and Gomez gone and replaced with Sundin and Naslund. Don't forget that Avery is gone too and Shanny isn't exactly a for sure thing either.

I think the Rangers need Sundin with Gomez and the other forwards there as well. It is hard to do though because of the cap, the Redden signing was a bad move by Sather to me.
I think Redden will prove a lot of people wrong this season.

It is a risk though. I think the Rangers value offense more than Defense, which is the only reason I think they take that risk.

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Well I don't think the Rangers suck. I really don't like them though, because they can basically sign any free agent they want. While the Canadian teams struggle to sign any.
An antiquated post.

There's a cap. They can't sign any FA they want.

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