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09-02-2008, 09:29 PM
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Toronto-Chicago

To Chicago
Ian White
Alexei Ponikarovsky

To Toronto
Andrew Ladd
4th in '09

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09-02-2008, 09:31 PM
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I think toronto goes on the losing end of this one.

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Even, fair.... but pointless for the Leafs.

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09-02-2008, 09:45 PM
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I think toronto goes on the losing end of this one.
Are you kidding? This is an epic fail from Chicago's POV. The last thing they need is White, and I'd bet that Ladd is more productive than Poni this year. Hawks have no reason to make this type of deal.

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09-02-2008, 09:52 PM
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Are you kidding? This is an epic fail from Chicago's POV. The last thing they need is White, and I'd bet that Ladd is more productive than Poni this year. Hawks have no reason to make this type of deal.
I don't see how you reason this. Ladd has had more than ample opportunity to put up points in the NHL, and has never had more than 14 goals 30 points, which was this years totals. Poni is a consistent 20-goal scorer and has shown that throughout his career. Maybe this is a move that Chicago wouldn't make, but valuewise its clearly in Chicago's favor.

Poni (20-goal scorer) >= Ladd (22 YO, Potential 20-goal scorer)
White (24 YO, 20+ point D-man, potential PP specialist) > 4th rounder pick


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09-02-2008, 10:00 PM
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I don't want the Blackhawks to get rid of Ladd...

No deal Howie!

God I can't stand that show.

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09-02-2008, 10:07 PM
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I think toronto goes on the losing end of this one.
no chance the Hawks deal him AND they dont need a Dman they need depth forwards

Bulin for a depth forward makes sense

Also if ur looking for a deal how about

Jokinen for White and a pick

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09-02-2008, 10:07 PM
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I don't see how you reason this. Ladd has had more than ample opportunity to put up points in the NHL, and has never had more than 14 goals 30 assists, which was this years totals. Poni is a consistent 20-goal scorer and has shown that throughout his career. Maybe this is a move that Chicago wouldn't make, but valuewise its clearly in Chicago's favor.

Poni (20-goal scorer) >= Ladd (22 YO, Potential 20-goal scorer)
White (24 YO, 20+ point D-man, potential PP specialist) > 4th rounder pick
But being a Leafs player loses you around 99% value, so Leafs win this trade by far. That 4th round pick WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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09-02-2008, 10:24 PM
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But being a Leafs player loses you around 99% value, so Leafs win this trade by far. That 4th round pick WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
But would that not mean that the second that Ladd puts on a Leafs Jersey he would be worthless and once Poni and White took theirs off they would be 99% more valuable? The Leafs would loose the deal both ways

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1st of all Chicago is 2.5 mil over the cap so adding over a mil in salary isn't smart. 2nd Chicago has 6 D and wouldn't need White.

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Ladd has shown promise and the Hawks are over the cap. No need for them to pull the trigger on this deal.

Plus the Leafs REALLY hurt their odds of extending Antropov by trading Ponikarovsky.

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09-02-2008, 10:45 PM
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I do though, find it pretty funny that the proposal worked out that both teams lose.

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Id do it

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09-02-2008, 11:23 PM
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Meh, Chicago needs to be doing 2 for 1, not the other way around.

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I don't see how you reason this. Ladd has had more than ample opportunity to put up points in the NHL, and has never had more than 14 goals 30 points, which was this years totals.
kinda like Latendresse?

wake up, Ladd was a third line checker with the Canes. they had maybe the biggest depth in the league at the forward position.

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09-02-2008, 11:51 PM
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Alright how about Martin Havlat for Poni,White and a one of Earl or Williams. This trade is good for both teams seeing as how Havlat can't play more than 60 games and is a UFA next season. Chicago dumps salary to Toronto and the Leafs at least get someone who is entertaining to watch this season , seeing as how Mats is not looking to come back. By the way before Blackhawk fans bash this deal Havlat will walk next summer, and if you think your going to get a better deal come deadline day let's see if Martin is healthy by then.

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09-02-2008, 11:55 PM
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Not to mention the Leafs could trade for Robert Lang and then officially be in the lead for the Tavares sweepstakes.

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Alright how about Martin Havlat for Poni,White and a one of Earl or Williams. This trade is good for both teams seeing as how Havlat can't play more than 60 games and is a UFA next season. Chicago dumps salary to Toronto and the Leafs at least get someone who is entertaining to watch this season , seeing as how Mats is not looking to come back. By the way before Blackhawk fans bash this deal Havlat will walk next summer, and if you think your going to get a better deal come deadline day let's see if Martin is healthy by then.
We're finally going to be in the playoff hunt. Why would we want to trade away Havlat, one of our game breakers, at that point? He's either healthy and we'll need him for the playoffs or he's broken and nobody wants him.

And I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face I guess, the Hawks do not need depth forwards. We have half a dozen NHL ready guys that don't have a spot to play. We are disgustingly deep in forward prospects. A GOOD defensive prospect would be nice. The Hawks need to trade quantity for quality, not the other way around.

and P.S. - why in the world would the Leafs want a year of Havlat??

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09-03-2008, 03:53 AM
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Ponikarovsky's career PPG is 0.464 at 28
Ladd's career PPG is 0.395 at 22.

What was Ponikarovsky doing when he was 22? He has only started to put up points in the past 3 years. Ladd put up 12 points in 20 games in his spell with Chicago when he was actually getting some decent time on the ice and if you extrapolate that to a 82 games season that equal 20 goals and 49 points.

Also Ladd in 05/06 (when he got his name on the cup) had a ATOI of 11:10 with 1:45 on the PP
In 06/07 it was 11:12 with 1:36 minutes on the PP
In 07/08 in Carolina it was 11:45 and in Chicago it was 14:58 with 1:48 minutes on the PP

In 05/06 Ponikarovsky's ATOI was 14:06 with 0:50minutes on the PP
in 06/07 it was 17:06 with 2:33 minutes on the PP
in 07/06 it was 15:58 with 2:02 minutes on the PP

As has already been stated White is not needed in any way and Ladd is roughly equal to Ponikarovsky now while being 6 years younger and on a cheaper contract. I wonder why Chicago fans aren't happy about this deal........


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09-03-2008, 09:41 AM
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I don't see how you reason this. Ladd has had more than ample opportunity to put up points in the NHL, and has never had more than 14 goals 30 points, which was this years totals. Poni is a consistent 20-goal scorer and has shown that throughout his career. Maybe this is a move that Chicago wouldn't make, but valuewise its clearly in Chicago's favor.

Poni (20-goal scorer) >= Ladd (22 YO, Potential 20-goal scorer)
White (24 YO, 20+ point D-man, potential PP specialist) > 4th rounder pick
Regardless of the value being moved, do the Hawks need anyone that the Leafs are offering in the deal? I don't think so. They've got 7 d-man now that I'd rather see get icetime over White, and 8 when Wiz comes back from his knee surgery around Christmas. Poni was a 20 goal guy playing mostly with Sundin and getting solid icetime. IMO, he's not a scoring line player on a good team. I'm not saying that Ladd is the second coming, but he played very well after coming to Chicago and IMO his potential is significantly higher than Poni's. He might not progress and stay a very good 3rd line winger- if that's the case - I'm still happy holding onto him.

Add in that the Hawks are picking up salary in the deal, and it's a flat out lose from their perspective.

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09-03-2008, 11:44 AM
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Ladd has shown promise and the Hawks are over the cap. No need for them to pull the trigger on this deal.

Plus the Leafs REALLY hurt their odds of extending Antropov by trading Ponikarovsky.
All the more reason to move Poni in my books. Antropov is a good player when healthy but Antropov staying healthy like he did last season is not something that happens ofthem. I would rather dump him and pick up an equivalent player with less of a history on the IR.

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To Chicago
Ian White
Alexei Ponikarovsky

To Toronto
Andrew Ladd
4th in '09
It actually seems pretty fair. I only have one question: Why?

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