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09-02-2008, 02:45 AM
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vancouver gets boned

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09-02-2008, 03:15 AM
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It also clears what, 12 million in cap space? Khabibulin has negative value and as talented as Havlat is, his trade value sucks because of games played vs cap hit..
Khabibulin for 7th rounder
Havlat for 7th rounder

Keep Keith. Keith is worth way more than the spare parts Chicago gets.

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09-02-2008, 03:49 AM
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I agree Keith is a silly piece to dump in a salary-relief move, I was just stating that just because Khabi and Havlat are the best players in the proposal doesn't mean they have the most VALUE.

Also, I'm not sure what the actual salary of those players are this year, but it's easy for a fan to say "oh, just put them in the minors" or "so we have extra money tied up in a goaltender, no biggie"... but to ownership, that's not always an option. Not speaking about Chicago directly here but people are always so quick to say "we can fit under the cap its okay" but that's never the only concern at play.


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09-02-2008, 03:52 AM
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LA: Khabibulin
Chi: Luongo
Van: Cloutier





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Maybe if Purcell went to Van then it might be alittle more fair?

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09-02-2008, 06:54 AM
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Maybe if Purcell went to Van then it might be alittle more fair?
Then that just screws Chicago even more. The deal is just not workable without more assets coming from L.A.

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09-02-2008, 07:19 AM
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I agree Keith is a silly piece to dump in a salary-relief move, I was just stating that just because Khabi and Havlat are the best players in the proposal doesn't mean they have the most VALUE.

Also, I'm not sure what the actual salary of those players are this year, but it's easy for a fan to say "oh, just put them in the minors" or "so we have extra money tied up in a goaltender, no biggie"... but to ownership, that's not always an option. Not speaking about Chicago directly here but people are always so quick to say "we can fit under the cap its okay" but that's never the only concern at play.
For many teams, yes. In Chicago's case, they have the money.

The Blackhawks might decide to keep Khabibulin for depth and assurances, or they might deal him, understanding that they will get back minimal return, if any. Yet they won't have to add something substantial (high draft pick, good prospect, or one of the league's better young defensemen entering his prime, for example...) to do it. It's never as difficult as all that to give away solid players with cup rings, especially when you are willing to do so for free.

And in the end, if that is the asking price, they will simply hold on to him. Chicago isn't desperate to deal him, if it comes to that. They'll likely find a taker, though, even if it means they're eating some of the salary in re-entry waivers.

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09-02-2008, 10:52 AM
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HAHAHAHA Chicago gives up by far the best player in the deal in Keith while arguably giving up the 3rd and 4th best players while getting relatively NOTHING of value in return. Worst. Proposal. Ever.
Pretty much summed up this whole thread!

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Kings might run with the deal TODAY, but they're going to need purcell more than Bieksa/Keith next year and beyond.
You're kidding me right?

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09-02-2008, 11:25 AM
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would it make sense to just simplify it like this?

Van- Havlat
LA- Khabibulin
Chi- Raymond, Labarbera

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09-02-2008, 01:02 PM
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I agree Keith is a silly piece to dump in a salary-relief move, I was just stating that just because Khabi and Havlat are the best players in the proposal doesn't mean they have the most VALUE.

Also, I'm not sure what the actual salary of those players are this year, but it's easy for a fan to say "oh, just put them in the minors" or "so we have extra money tied up in a goaltender, no biggie"... but to ownership, that's not always an option. Not speaking about Chicago directly here but people are always so quick to say "we can fit under the cap its okay" but that's never the only concern at play.
Keith is the best player in the deal. He was far and away the Hawks MVP last season. That includes Toews, Kane, Sharp etc. Duncan Keith does not get the credit he deserves!

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09-02-2008, 01:25 PM
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LA: Khabibulin
Chi: Luongo
Van: Cloutier




Alternatively, Vancouver could just sign Cloutier since he was bought out in June.

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09-02-2008, 01:39 PM
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would it make sense to just simplify it like this?

Van- Havlat
LA- Khabibulin
Chi- Raymond, Labarbera
Done.

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09-02-2008, 01:48 PM
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I'm not ready to give up on Havlat. Having him on a separate line from Kane and Toews means we have 2 lines with game-breaking potential. I really don't want to give that up...

Tallon has a lot of patience. I think he'll be able to hold out and get something (not very much) for Khabibulin instead of having to waive him or pay someone to take him. I think Ottawa management is under some pressure to make some kind of move, and I think that's where Khabibulin will end up.

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09-02-2008, 02:35 PM
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I can't decide if this
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Van- Havlet, LA 2nd
LA- Bieksa, Duncan Kieth, Khabibulin
Chi- Purcell, Raymond, Labarbera, Van 4th

I know its hard to make a 3 way deal but Van gets a high end scoring winger plus a good draft pick. LA gets 2 proven d-men and a vetern goalie. Chi lose a ton of cap space adding 2 young forwards who can help replace Havlet and a cheaper back-up.

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Kings might run with the deal TODAY, but they're going to need purcell more than Bieksa/Keith next year and beyond.
is funnier. Maybe we should have a poll.

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This proposal is nothing but laughable, Chicago gives up Keith, that's basically all that needs to be said. No way they give up a plus 30 defenseman, not to mention he was only behind Lidstrom for best +/- last year. Absolute wash of a deal.

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09-02-2008, 03:55 PM
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would it make sense to just simplify it like this?

Van- Havlat
LA- Khabibulin
Chi- Raymond, Labarbera
If I were Lombardi I wouldn't do that, because we take cap for no reason we need some kind of asset coming back.

I'd rather keep Labarbera.

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09-02-2008, 08:12 PM
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If I were Lombardi I wouldn't do that, because we take cap for no reason we need some kind of asset coming back.

I'd rather keep Labarbera.
right

and this is not even a 3-way, really -- it's 2 separate deals for Chi.

Havlat for Raymond
Khabi for Lababar


I'm not even sure I'd want to give up on Raymond. He was pretty good last year before getting hurt.

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09-02-2008, 08:22 PM
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As kings fan I say yes!
if not than then I think it should be Purcell and 4th for Duncan Keith!

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09-02-2008, 08:23 PM
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would it make sense to just simplify it like this?

Van- Havlat
LA- Khabibulin
Chi- Raymond, Labarbera
I'd love that too except I'm not so sure about khabi goin to the kings... don't really like him

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09-03-2008, 05:04 AM
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As kings fan I say yes!
if not than then I think it should be Purcell and 4th for Duncan Keith!
Wow.

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Wow.
What do you mean? This is HF boards, where allstar defenseman are about as valuable as prospects. Chicago also gets the "feel good" 4th rounder.

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09-03-2008, 01:55 PM
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Van- Havlet, LA 2nd
LA- Bieksa, Duncan Kieth, Khabibulin
Chi- Purcell, Raymond, Labarbera, Van 4th

I know its hard to make a 3 way deal but Van gets a high end scoring winger plus a good draft pick. LA gets 2 proven d-men and a vetern goalie. Chi lose a ton of cap space adding 2 young forwards who can help replace Havlet and a cheaper back-up.
LA wins flat out. Vancouver might not come out that far behind, or they might just give up 2 young players for nothing.

As for Chicago's perspective...

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09-03-2008, 01:59 PM
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would it make sense to just simplify it like this?

Van- Havlat
LA- Khabibulin
Chi- Raymond, Labarbera
That's a bit better. I think that LA still takes that and runs off laughing, considering their cap situation, but at least its a bit more fair for Chicago. Vancouver now comes off the worst I think.

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