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09-07-2008, 10:22 PM
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If I was Chicago i would jump all over this Anze Kopitar is going to be a spuer star and Khabibulin is getting old.


lol where to start..................... did you ever followed a hockey game beside EA NHL 08 ????

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09-07-2008, 10:36 PM
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and was probably started by an adolescent fan.
Didn't that BS 'trade Kopitar to get to the cap floor' rumor start in the Ottawa Sun?

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09-07-2008, 10:38 PM
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would a khabbi for gerber deal work . ottawa gets a better goalie , chicago gets a smaller salary that would be easier to dump . if i were ottawa ide be very interested in this deal .
Ottawa doesn't have the cap space for a straight up Gerber for Khabi deal.
Also, Khabi may be a "better" goalie, but he's more injury prone and his contract is much worse.

But hey, lets look at needs.
Chicago needs:
- a bottom 6 forward to complete the roster
- a goalie swap that will free up cap space

Ottawa needs:
- elite prospects
- improvement in one of the 3 following areas: goalie, top 6 forward, top 4 defenseman

Which leads to a deal of:
Khabi + 1st round pick (6.75M)
for
Gerber + McAmmond (4.55M)

Unfair to Chicago? Maybe, but they're the ones in cap trouble and Chicago needs to make a deal more than Ottawa does.
In all honesty, Chicago would be better off dealing with a different team because Ottawa is too close to the cap and won't take on a huge contract without added incentive (ie. the first rounder).

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09-07-2008, 10:47 PM
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Didn't that BS 'trade Kopitar to get to the cap floor' rumor start in the Ottawa Sun?
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09-07-2008, 10:53 PM
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The Kings would be really, REALLY stupid to not jump all over this.

Kopitar is a flash-in-the-pan who simply rode the coattails of the now traded Mike Cammalleri and Khabibulin is the experienced, elite, all-star, world-class goaltender that the Kings have been lacking for the last 25 years.

The Kings should offer up Kopitar and their first round picks for the next two years for Khabibulin before Chicago deals him to someone else.

But they won't and as a direct result, they'll suck again next year . . . yet again.
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09-07-2008, 10:56 PM
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If I was Chicago i would jump all over this Anze Kopitar is going to be a spuer star and Khabibulin is getting old.
ROFL checked your vision latley We wont trade Kopi

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Actually, we need a top 6 Wing & have had McAmmond twice (not t6)..Not sure either why any team would give more than a pick or a bad contract back for Khabby..

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The Kings would be really, REALLY stupid to not jump all over this.

Kopitar is a flash-in-the-pan who simply rode the coattails of the now traded Mike Cammalleri and Khabibulin is the experienced, elite, all-star, world-class goaltender that the Kings have been lacking for the last 25 years.

The Kings should offer up Kopitar and their first round picks for the next two years for Khabibulin before Chicago deals him to someone else.

But they won't and as a direct result, they'll suck again next year . . . yet again.

You got to be kidding me they werent even linemates last year and Kopitar was better

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09-07-2008, 11:01 PM
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No question that Khabibulin would be the best goalie of the Kings right now but you have to ask yourself if it's even worth it for them. It likely won't be enough to make the playoff and the Kings would most likely like to have a shot at the top pick one more time before starting to build a playoff team.

If all of what Bulin will bring the Kings is push them away from a top 5 pick, you have to wonder why should they give a asset for him on top of that.

It might sound stupid a bit but i don't think the Kings management are ready and want to win just yet. I think they want that extra year for their defenceman and goaltenders (Bernier and Zatkoff) to come around while adding another potential franchise player like Tavares, Hedman or Schenn...
No he wouldnt. Khabi and Labarberas numbers are nearly identical with Khabis GAA being .37 better despite playing on a better defensive team. Hawks were a team that scored more and gave up less goals. Hes not that much of an upgrade over Labarbera if hes one at all. Id venture to say his numbers would be worse than Labarberas if he was in net for the Kings.

And I still dont understand how this rumor keeps getting recirculated despite the Kings front office repeatedly denying they have no interest at all whatsoever in Khabibulin.

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You got to be kidding me they werent even linemates last year and Kopitar was better
I am 100% sure he was not being serious.....People need to turn on their sarcasm detectors in this thread.

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09-07-2008, 11:08 PM
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No question that Khabibulin would be the best goalie of the Kings right now but you have to ask yourself if it's even worth it for them. It likely won't be enough to make the playoff and the Kings would most likely like to have a shot at the top pick one more time before starting to build a playoff team.

If all of what Bulin will bring the Kings is push them away from a top 5 pick, you have to wonder why should they give a asset for him on top of that.

It might sound stupid a bit but i don't think the Kings management are ready and want to win just yet. I think they want that extra year for their defenceman and goaltenders (Bernier and Zatkoff) to come around while adding another potential franchise player like Tavares, Hedman or Schenn...
The problem with LA tanking another season and saying they are "ready to win" next year is that you can't turn a franchise on a dime like that. If you want to be winning a few years from now, you better start turning the ship NOW.

But I don't think Khabibulin will end up in LA either. I think Ottawa or Colorado.

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09-07-2008, 11:40 PM
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The problem with LA tanking another season and saying they are "ready to win" next year is that you can't turn a franchise on a dime like that. If you want to be winning a few years from now, you better start turning the ship NOW.

But I don't think Khabibulin will end up in LA either. I think Ottawa or Colorado.
True but Bulin is on his last year of contract and at the age he is, at best he would be a quick 1 year fix which doesn't help the Kings short term because they are still not good enough to make the playoff this year.

I think next year, they will be in a better position to start adding players and start forming a winning team. Might still take 2 or 3 years but next year, they should be ready to add the right element with Bernier and the defencemans the drafted starting to come around.

This year is just too early IMO for guys like Khabibulin which we seem to agree on.

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09-07-2008, 11:57 PM
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This is one time where I'll agree with what Dean Lombardi is doing. The fact that someone even mentioned Kopitar to Chicago for Khabibulin needs to have their head examined. What a bad, bad, bad trade for L.A. if they did that.

With that being said, Lombardi has positioned the team to tank this year in order to get a shot at Tavares or Hedman. He made no effort to reach out to any of the UFAs to help rebuild the blue line, he made no effort to reach out to any of the UFA goalies to help stabilize the goaltending situation until Bernier's ready. Instead, he's given everyone the excuse that 'we're going to fill positions from within' and give the usual speech that the team is going to be 'young, but we're going to work and play hard and play disciplined hockey.' In other words, we're going to suck, but we just can't come out and say it.

Say what you want about drafting Doughty, Teubert and Voinov, but the defense needs a hell of a lot more than three promising defensemen. They needed a veteran or two to help anchor the D while the youngsters are ready and Lombardi failed to deliver. It also leads me to wonder whether he was informed by team owners to put a team on the ice that's floor level so that they wouldn't have to spend much money because L.A.'s in the red anyways.

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09-08-2008, 12:08 AM
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You have no idea what youre talking about. He went after Orpik but none of the other free agent d men fit with our long term needs so why bother? And since when is free agencythe only way to nab a vet d man?

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09-08-2008, 12:22 AM
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True but Bulin is on his last year of contract and at the age he is, at best he would be a quick 1 year fix which doesn't help the Kings short term because they are still not good enough to make the playoff this year.

I think next year, they will be in a better position to start adding players and start forming a winning team. Might still take 2 or 3 years but next year, they should be ready to add the right element with Bernier and the defencemans the drafted starting to come around.

This year is just too early IMO for guys like Khabibulin which we seem to agree on.
You hear the term "management is commited to winning" a lot, and there is a reason for that. Players know the teams they want to play for. No offense LA fans, but most players don't want to play in LA because they know management is not commited to winning. I am intimately familiar with this kind of thing being a Blackhawks fan. Chicago had a perfect storm of events to turn Chicago into a team where players want to play (ownership change, lots of front office change, 2 calder nominated rookies, etc.). Players always have Philly and NYR at the top of their list of places to play because the management of those teams is always commited to winning. You have to do some pretty spectacular things to turn that losing mentality of a team around, and Chicago is well on their way to doing that. You can have tons of promising young players, but if you don't have management going balls out to win, you aren't going to make any playoff noise, and it has been a long time since LA has gone balls out.

Yes I do agree Khabi probably won't end up in LA, but if I was managing LA I would be doing SOMETHING to show my dwindling fanbase that I was commited to winning.

Khabi is an all star goalie if he is on a good team, but not so good behind a bad team, so probably not a great choice for LA to grab him for just that reason.

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The Kings can go with LaBarbera and Ersberg this season if they want to develop Jonathan Bernier for one more season. Erik Ersberg is a good goalie that would be good for the rebuilding phase that the Kings are in.

It also wouldn't make sense to trade any assets simply to reach the floor. There are many free agents out there and they do have roster spots open like on defense with guys like Marek Malik or Bret Hedican or Keith Carney they can give one year deals to at whatever they need to get to that floor which won't be much after O'Sullivan and Richardson re-sign.

The Hawks will be lucky to unload Khabibulin onto a team but it probably won't happen until the start of the season at the earliest or more likely, at the deadline, where goalie situations are more clear. Teams I can see being interested given the right scenarios are the Avs, Sens, Flyers, Lightning, and the biggest stretch being Montreal if Carey Price has a disappointing season. But all those scenarios involve two goalies failing to take hold of the starting role. It can happen but it's unlikely.

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Ottawa doesn't have the cap space for a straight up Gerber for Khabi deal.
According to this, Ottawa is sitting at $51.7 million, or $5 million under the $56.7 limit. If they trade away Gerber's $3.7 million and take on Khabibulin's $6.75 million, they are still at $54.75 million, just under $2 million under the cap limit. I think that trading Khabibulin for Gerber straight across is a pretty good deal for both teams, as both are UFA at the end of the year. Ottawa gains as Khabi is a better goalie than Gerber, while Chicago gets under the cap. That's what I call a win-win.

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According to this, Ottawa is sitting at $51.7 million, or $5 million under the $56.7 limit. If they trade away Gerber's $3.7 million and take on Khabibulin's $6.75 million, they are still at $54.75 million, just under $2 million under the cap limit. I think that trading Khabibulin for Gerber straight across is a pretty good deal for both teams, as both are UFA at the end of the year. Ottawa gains as Khabi is a better goalie than Gerber, while Chicago gets under the cap. That's what I call a win-win.
People tend to give Gerber a pretty bad rap. He was actually "decent" in the playoffs, but with all the injuries and poor level of play coming from certain members of the Defense, he was really left out there to dry (he saw 40 shots per game). If Ottawa can rebound and get back to the 2 way style of play that took them to the finals, I don't have many concerns with Gerber in nets.

As noted earlier, there has to be some pretty good incentive for Ottawa to take on Khabibulin's salary. You can't really say that Khabibulin is a huge improvement over Gerber. Statistically, Gerber was better last season than Khabibulin, and he's half the cost. If we were discussing Khabibulin 2 or 3 years ago, it would be a different story... but in recent history he hasn't really proven himself to be anything special.

Unless there's a 1st rounder or a great prospect coming our way, I don't think Ottawa is going to get Khabibulin. It just limits the types of trades we can make, and we don't get much better.


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My opinion : The Kings could need this veteran goalie and the Blackhawks don't need him, they already have Huet.
The last thing the Kings need is an overpriced Goaltender with a Country Club attitude.

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Ottawa doesn't have the cap space for a straight up Gerber for Khabi deal.
Also, Khabi may be a "better" goalie, but he's more injury prone and his contract is much worse.

But hey, lets look at needs.
Chicago needs:
- a bottom 6 forward to complete the roster
- a goalie swap that will free up cap space

Ottawa needs:
- elite prospects
- improvement in one of the 3 following areas: goalie, top 6 forward, top 4 defenseman

Which leads to a deal of:
Khabi + 1st round pick (6.75M)
for
Gerber + McAmmond (4.55M)

Unfair to Chicago? Maybe, but they're the ones in cap trouble and Chicago needs to make a deal more than Ottawa does.
In all honesty, Chicago would be better off dealing with a different team because Ottawa is too close to the cap and won't take on a huge contract without added incentive (ie. the first rounder).
With that proposal, Chicago will still end up over the cap with call-ups. They need to clear salary without taking on anything major in the process. That means Ottawa is probably out.

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You hear the term "management is commited to winning" a lot, and there is a reason for that. Players know the teams they want to play for. No offense LA fans, but most players don't want to play in LA because they know management is not commited to winning. I am intimately familiar with this kind of thing being a Blackhawks fan. Chicago had a perfect storm of events to turn Chicago into a team where players want to play (ownership change, lots of front office change, 2 calder nominated rookies, etc.). Players always have Philly and NYR at the top of their list of places to play because the management of those teams is always commited to winning. You have to do some pretty spectacular things to turn that losing mentality of a team around, and Chicago is well on their way to doing that. You can have tons of promising young players, but if you don't have management going balls out to win, you aren't going to make any playoff noise, and it has been a long time since LA has gone balls out.

Yes I do agree Khabi probably won't end up in LA, but if I was managing LA I would be doing SOMETHING to show my dwindling fanbase that I was commited to winning.

Khabi is an all star goalie if he is on a good team, but not so good behind a bad team, so probably not a great choice for LA to grab him for just that reason.
Dwindling fanbase?

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Dwindling fanbase?
Well we do know of several people who are not renewing their season tickets......that could be viewed as a dwindling fan base. Especially since ticket revenue is the basis for tracking fans.

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NOT GOING TO HAPPEN......
This trade will never ever go through..
and Boston Globe does not know what they are talking about

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NOT GOING TO HAPPEN......
This trade will never ever go through..
and Boston Globe does not know what they are talking about
Did you even read the article?

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