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09-09-2008, 01:50 PM
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The thing is, Tom, that Shanny did those things because he was playing on a knee that isn't 100% healthy, and the Rangers didn't really have much in the way of other options. Maybe I'm just searching for reasons to be optimistic about this (the truth is that if I were running the team I don't think I'd try to bring him back), but I believe that the coaching staff is smart enough to know when a player is hurting the team and when to try a different route.

I also think that both sides will be smart enough to see whether or not Shanny is fully healed from the knee injury that was bothering so much in the second half last year. If he's not, I don't think you'll see him on the ice all that much.
clmetsfan, I hear what your saying. The Redden signing for example is something I am really worried about. However, I can find aspects of that signing to be optimistic about and I am putting my faith into our front office that they did their homework on him. This Shanny situation however has me totally baffled. It would be a direct contradiction to the type of team we are building and the type of team Renney said we will be. I just don't get the benefit of throwing him onto this current team. It is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. If we are feeling nostaglic lets give Marty Straka a call, he would fit this teams new look alot better than Shanny, at least he can still skate.

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09-09-2008, 02:26 PM
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good. ideally he wouldn't be playing top six ES minutes, but it's not like he's going to be taking them from someone who deserves them anyways.

and as for leadership being a myth and an illusion, the DEFENDING STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS just signed a player 7 years older and slower than Shanahan. but I suppose we could follow the Columbus model and plug an '08 draft pick in there instead.

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09-09-2008, 02:30 PM
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and as for leadership being a myth and an illusion, the DEFENDING STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS just signed a player 7 years older and slower than Shanahan.
Yeah, and that guy will be playing a real important role, won't he?

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but I suppose we could follow the Columbus model and plug an '08 draft pick in there instead.
You say that like there's no option in between.

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09-09-2008, 02:39 PM
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Yeah, and that guy will be playing a real important role, won't he?
he's a defenceman, there's no place to hide him. I case you're wondering, he played almost 17 minutes per game last season.


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You say that like there's no option in between.
fair enough. but I don't think you'll find a lot of successful teams from the past decade that would choose a Prucha, Sjostrom or Korpikoski over Shanny at this stage.

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09-09-2008, 02:43 PM
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he's a defenceman, there's no place to hide him. I case you're wondering, he played almost 17 minutes per game last season.
and then he didn't play at all when it counted most, in the Stanley Cup Finals.

is that what you want of Shanahan? because that's essentially what you're going to get.


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fair enough. but I don't think you'll find a lot of successful teams from the past decade that would choose a Prucha, Sjostrom or Korpikoski over Shanny at this stage.
I strongly disagree, but to each his own.

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09-09-2008, 04:23 PM
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Thing is, Mikey - the kids ARE ready to play. I mean, what do you want from them before they get a shot? Callahan was at something like 2pts per game in HFD before his last callup. At some point you gotta let them either succeed or fail at the NHL level.

As to why this would be an awful, AWFUL move - he simply will NOT play on the third or fourth line. Anyone who was a fan when Mark Messier came back for tour II should understand that.

"Tom, put me out - I'll get the goal." "Tom, put me out - I'll kill this penalty."

or

"Crap, we're down a goal - I could go with the kid who still isn't established... or I could go with the sure fire HOF guy... hmmm...." "We can't let a goal in on this one, better ask Shanny to try to suck it up one more time..."

Either way - it's not what we need. And it WILL happen.
This is how i see it.

I love Shanny always have - but the turnover of this team was geared around releasing the Jagrs and the Strakas and the Shanahans IMO and passing it to Gomez, Drury, Dubinsky, etc.. flipping to a more faster, open game. One that Renney himself has endorsed. Shanahan doesnt fit in that mold, so why do it? Who's spot is he taking, and why did Sather go out and buy Voros and Rissmiller who SHOULD be playing in the same role?

I also find it hard to believe that Renney is going to use him in a "limited" role. Shanahan WILL be on the PP, no matter what, and how is that going to effect the rest of the team?

Seems to me - if Shanahan is indeed signed, that either Renney and Sather are being too nice, or they miscommunicated. Or maybe they dont have a master plan at work... thats whats pissing me off. You'd like to believe that all of these depth moves have been part of a plan, whether its generating more depth or competition in camp - or filling out a deal in some sort. Signing Shanahan doesnt fit into any of that IMO and its frustrating to see the Rangers "give in" to him.

Watch us all get heated over his signing and the guy go out and rip off 25 goals before January on the bottom lines playing 14 minutes per game.

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09-09-2008, 04:30 PM
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and then he didn't play at all when it counted most, in the Stanley Cup Finals.

is that what you want of Shanahan? because that's essentially what you're going to get.
Chelios was injured. and I'm not sure exactly what your question is asking.

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09-09-2008, 04:48 PM
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I have no problem with him coming back but only if Renney doesnt get nostalgic and tries to get too much out of him.
Use him as a bit part specialist and I could see him being very effective.

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I hear ya , but how many Rangers last year scored more goals than Shanahan?

Jagr and Drury

Renny has to be thinking about who is going to score goals on this team. Naslund and Zherdev should help, Dawes and Prucha perhaps as well. But the lack of finish is what killed the Rangers season in most losses.

Shanny was in the top 3 of finishers last season. I think that gets him another shot. Certainly invited to camp
I'm on the fence about whether I want Shanny back or not. I could see where he could help us, but am also fearful that his legs won't be able to keep up at all this year. And as for the lack of goal scoring, I can almost guarantee if the Rangers sign Shanny then it signals the end of Petr Prucha's tenure as a Ranger, something that I don't want to see, but others won't be able to show him the door fast enough.

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09-09-2008, 05:19 PM
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who was the slowest players on the team last season?

malik
orr
strudwick
shanahan

now, why is it people want a more offensive team, a more up-tempo team and yet want to bring back shanahan who's prior season made him look like a 45 y/o power forward with nothing to bring to the table....im sorry, i liked shanahan his first season....last season was painful to watch....and if he signs this season, i guarentee everyone here will be calling for him to retire or be moved after the first 20 or so games

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09-09-2008, 05:43 PM
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now, why is it people want a more offensive team, a more up-tempo team and yet want to bring back shanahan who's prior season made him look like a 45 y/o power forward with nothing to bring to the table....
Having 1 or 2 slow players isn't destroying a teams perceived "up tempo" style of play. Almost every team has 4th liners or bottom pairing defenseman who are not fast and who aren't great checkers. If Shanny fills this role instead of say Rissmiller, it's no huge dent in this teams "change of style"... As long as he's not being counted on to fulfill a role of power forward on a line.

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09-09-2008, 06:31 PM
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Chelios was injured. and I'm not sure exactly what your question is asking.
I don't believe that he was injured but let's assume he was. They won the cup without him... That's the lesson. Sure he's an asset, but they didn't lose or fail or drown without their life preserver in Chelios. It's not the end of the world when you play youngsters instead of the old and slow future hall of famer. And the thing is, Detroit limits Chelios' minutes and they are careful in how they use him. I don't think people in Detriot are worried about Chelios getting 25 or even 22 minutes a night.

So with this Detriot example I am seeing two things: 1 is you can win without that 'name' guy, 2 is you have to limit their minutes.

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Shanahan played the last half of last season on one leg. If he is healthy, I expect he will be able to contribute in a number of ways. I wouldn't expect him to be the captain because in all probability this will be his last season but he still can provide plenty of leadership and get this team through the transition from east-west to north-south hockey. Plenty of veteran players with much less skill have been assets to playoff level teams in the past.

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09-09-2008, 07:10 PM
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I don't believe that he was injured but let's assume he was. They won the cup without him... That's the lesson. Sure he's an asset, but they didn't lose or fail or drown without their life preserver in Chelios. It's not the end of the world when you play youngsters instead of the old and slow future hall of famer. And the thing is, Detroit limits Chelios' minutes and they are careful in how they use him. I don't think people in Detriot are worried about Chelios getting 25 or even 22 minutes a night.

So with this Detriot example I am seeing two things: 1 is you can win without that 'name' guy, 2 is you have to limit their minutes.
I'm not saying Detroit can't survive without Chelios in the lineup. we can assume that Chelios was indeed healthy, and Babcock decided to play the finals without him. doesn't affect my point at all. at the end of the day, Detroit decided that Chelios, however marginal his on ice contributions may be, is worth keeping around for another season.

and Chelios' minutes probably will be cut down again. if Detroit's D were as thin as our wings, do you think that would be the case?

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09-09-2008, 07:27 PM
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Having 1 or 2 slow players isn't destroying a teams perceived "up tempo" style of play. Almost every team has 4th liners or bottom pairing defenseman who are not fast and who aren't great checkers. If Shanny fills this role instead of say Rissmiller, it's no huge dent in this teams "change of style"... As long as he's not being counted on to fulfill a role of power forward on a line.
see, but thats the thing....shanahan doesnt do anything really if he cant skate...he is a power forward who has lost his power.....his one skill is scoring goals....and if he cant keep up he isnt a better third line player than say callahan.....will he score more goals?....probably, but i will take callahan's energy and grit to shanahan's extra 4-5 goals a season just because callahan brings energy and causes things to happen every night....shanahan isnt a prototypical 3rd or 4th line player.......

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i sure hope he gives us another discount...you know, the kind where we pay him more than we did the year before.

that said, i like Shanny. he's been a solid Ranger. and IF Renney can play him on a bottom line with limited minutes he could help us. BUT, can Renney actually do that?

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09-09-2008, 07:52 PM
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Not sure if this was posted earlier, but ESPN.com is now carrying the story about him skating with other Rangers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3578683

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09-09-2008, 07:57 PM
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With a $1 million contract, I'd welcome him with open arms.

Penalty killer
Capable of potting in some goals
Great in the shootout
Veteran leadership

I just don't know, I want this team to get younger, but, I also want us to get stronger and more physical.

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With a $1 million contract, I'd welcome him with open arms.

Penalty killer
Capable of potting in some goals
Great in the shootout
Veteran leadership

I just don't know, I want this team to get younger, but, I also want us to get stronger and more physical.
hate to break it to you but Shanny isn't that physical anymore

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The only role I could see Shanahan really filling is for our 2nd line RW, and that's assuming we're not confident Prucha or someone else could fill that spot behind Zherdev. For a cheap (~$1 mil) contract I wouldn't mind playing w/ the idea of him in that role, however I doubt he's got the legs to keep up w/ even Drury on that line. If he did, I wouldn't really mind him w/ the role, and keep his role to scoring goals and leadership. Even if he's a shell of his former self, the kid's having a mentor (and a HOF caliber one too) is going to pay off in the long run, just look at the impact Jagr's had on Dubinsky. I just don't know if its possible to put him in the the top-6 role (where his scoring abilities might come handy) w/o giving him too many minutes and slowing him down.

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hate to break it to you but Shanny isn't that physical anymore
Nor can he kill penalties that well anymore.

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The only reason I would endorse this move is because of how shallow our wing depth is on the team in terms of talent that can actually score 20 goals. It is not a guarentee that any of our youngsters can produce that many, but it is a guarentee that a healthy Shanny can pot those 20+. The issue with Shanny is his health, but if he does sign for under 2.5 million you won't be able to find that type of bang for your buck anywhere, and if he gets hurt, a younger guy will step in to fill his shoes.

Dawes-Gomez-Zherdev
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This would be a great lineup. It could give Renney more legitimate options. Having options < not having any

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The only reason I would endorse this move is because of how shallow our wing depth is on the team in terms of talent that can actually score 20 goals. It is not a guarentee that any of our youngsters can produce that many, but it is a guarentee that a healthy Shanny can pot those 20+. The issue with Shanny is his health, but if he does sign for under 2.5 million you won't be able to find that type of bang for your buck anywhere, and if he gets hurt, a younger guy will step in to fill his shoes.

Dawes-Gomez-Zherdev
Naslund-Drury-Prucha
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This would be a great lineup. It could give Renney more legitimate options. Having options < not having any
I think thats supposed to be the other way around

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Anyone who wants to let Shanny walk is crazy. Where was he last season in goals for this team? When has he EVER been a force with his skating? Please, this team need not only his leadership/presence, but his shot is still elite in this league as anyone. I'd take him back on almost any terms ASAP.

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Anyone who wants to let Shanny walk is crazy. Where was he last season in goals for this team? When has he EVER been a force with his skating? Please, this team need not only his leadership/presence, but his shot is still elite in this league as anyone. I'd take him back on almost any terms ASAP.
i agree

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