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09-09-2008, 10:02 PM
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Rangers Top 20 Prospects

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1. Alexei Cherepanov
2. Artem Anisimov
3. Bobby Sanguinetti
4. Michael Del Zotto
5. Lauri Korpikoski
6. Evgeny Grachev
7. Tomas Zaborsky
8. Dane Byers
9. Carl Hagelin
10. Michael Sauer
11. Derek Stepan
12. Miika Wiikman
13. Matt Zaba
14. Ryan Hillier
15. Dale Weise
16. Greg Moore
17. Max Campbell
18. Corey Potter
19. Brodie Dupont
20. David Skokan

comments :
- sauer and potter lower than I would expect
- I hope Sangs being behind Anisimov is a praise towards Ani and not a knock against Bobby
- did we reach for Stepan???

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09-09-2008, 10:05 PM
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Tommy Pyatt dropping from top 20?! he's becoming grossly underrated

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09-09-2008, 10:29 PM
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Who the hell is Dale Weise?

Holy Carl Hagelin...

Potter should be higher, and Pyatt not being listed is a joke.

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09-09-2008, 10:32 PM
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Pyatt should be there, Hagelin and Zaborsky's placements are a joke, Potter should be up more. Love the Greg Moore ranking.

Honestly, call me crazy, but AA should be #1. The progress he's made and the fact that he's already in NA and has a hell of a lot more of a chance of panning out nicely in the NHL more-so than Cherepanov, should be an easy #1. Cherepanov is ranked #1 only because of his raw skill, but it should be worth noting that he may never even come over. AA should be #1.

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09-09-2008, 10:35 PM
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Tommy Pyatt dropping from top 20?! he's becoming grossly underrated
Who would you take out to put Pyatt in? I like Pyatt but I don't think he proved much in his first year of pro hockey.

Anisimov at 2 is very intriguing. I wonder if he will crack HF's top 50.

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09-09-2008, 10:40 PM
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Who would you take out to put Pyatt in? I like Pyatt but I don't think he proved much in his first year of pro hockey.

Anisimov at 2 is very intriguing. I wonder if he will crack HF's top 50.
I think he definitely will crack the top 50, I see no possible way Sanguinetti won't be there, but I agree I am very interested to see where he is placed, I think he's going to be a good one.

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09-09-2008, 10:41 PM
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Honestly, call me crazy, but AA should be #1. The progress he's made and the fact that he's already in NA and has a hell of a lot more of a chance of panning out nicely in the NHL more-so than Cherepanov, should be an easy #1. Cherepanov is ranked #1 only because of his raw skill, but it should be worth noting that he may never even come over. AA should be #1.
The ranking has nothing to do with where a prospect is playing and everything to do with his potential. The order for Cherepanov and Anisimov is correct.

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09-09-2008, 10:45 PM
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I think it'd be a good idea to put the link to the article in the OP.

I think the top 6 group is pretty respectable. Other than that nothing I can really say unless we get something from the writer.

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The ranking has nothing to do with where a prospect is playing and everything to do with his potential. The order for Cherepanov and Anisimov is correct.
Right, the "safeness" of a player doesn't outweigh the potential of another.

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09-09-2008, 10:50 PM
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Since Hagelin was drafted in 2007, he has shown that he has the potential to be an NHL second-line center.
I have only seen Hagelin a few times, but I haven't seen or read anything that leads me to agree with this.

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09-09-2008, 10:56 PM
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Right, the "safeness" of a player doesn't outweigh the potential of another.
It's a two-edged sword. Cherepanov "dropped" because of worries about the lack of a transfer agreement. But, if he does come and play "up to his potential" it will have been a great pick. Of course, if it doesn't work out for the Rangers, then the pick is lost and that doesn't make up for all the potential in the world.

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09-09-2008, 11:15 PM
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For all the hype about Pyatt, he had a rough season last year. I always liked everything I read about the kid so I hope he can recover this year. He seems like a good kid and a responsible, hard working player.

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09-09-2008, 11:31 PM
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I'm thinking he missed the list because of his injuries but I have high hopes for Mitch Gaulton. I'm surprised to see Weise (though it's a good sign for me, I wasn't expecting much from him) and especially Zaba (afaik, he mostly played in the ECHL how did he get that high?) on the list at all to be honest.

edit: This is the list FLYLine compiled through the polls, I thought it would be good to have in the thread for comparison.

#1 -- Alexei Cherepanov (F)
#2 -- Bobby Sanguinetti (D)
#3 -- Artem Anisimov (F)
#4 -- Lauri Korpikoski (F)
#5 -- Michael Del Zotto (D)
#6 -- Evgeny Grachev (F)
#7 -- Michael Sauer (D)
#8 -- Derek Stepan (F)
#9 -- Dane Byers (F)
#10 - Ryan Hillier (F)
#11 - Corey Potter (D)
#12 - Greg Moore (F)
#13 - Carl Hagelin (F)
#14 - Brodie Dupont (F)
#15 - Miika Wiikman (G)
#16 - Tomas Zaborsky (F)
#17 - Tom Pyatt (F)
#18 - Mitch Gaulton (D)
#19 - Tomas Kundratek (D)
#20 - David Kveton (F)
#20 - Max Campbell (F)
#20 - David Skokan (F)

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09-09-2008, 11:54 PM
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the top-6 are good IMO....but after that i think it gets a little screwed up...potter and sauer should be higher....then stepan, byers, hagelin, hillier etc......just because sauer got hurt he shouldnt be that low...the guy was supposed to go in the 1st round and he almost made the nhl team last season instead of staal....the kid is gonna be good if he can stay healthy

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09-10-2008, 12:38 AM
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I have only seen Hagelin a few times, but I haven't seen or read anything that leads me to agree with this.
from what i was reading this season from him, he is a great two-way forward with great speed and can play any of the three forward positions and plays a physical style....he also can score goals and set up plays...this year will be big for him as he will be looked to score more as a lot of seniors left....if he can score more this year he will be a legit prospect to keep an eye on with not only defensive, but offensive potential

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09-10-2008, 07:12 AM
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Who the hell is Dale Weise?

Holy Carl Hagelin...

Potter should be higher, and Pyatt not being listed is a joke.
he's the 2nd round pick this yr i believe

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haha.........he is a AHL Dman.........may get a call up to fill in on the bottom 2 slots if Mara or Kalinen gets hurt

Thinking it's still Pock or Kondratiev as the 7th but hey someone could step it up...........rather have a more experienced player at the spot though since they will be doing nothing barring injury, the top 6 are set

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09-10-2008, 08:19 AM
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Dale Weise was our 4th round pick this year.

Hagelin is rated so highly because he was an incredibly important player in U of M's Frozen Four run - as a freshman.

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09-10-2008, 09:19 AM
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Just some thoughts on how I did this. First I went by ranking--so a guy ranked 6.0B (like Moore), can't be higher than a guy like Zaborsky, who is rated 7.0C (at least not when there is a 6.5 ranking in between). This is ranked based upon potential and likelihood of reaching that potential.

Pyatt is left off this year, because his first year's competition against older players was poor (to be kind). He then looked no better at development camp. When I spoke to Tom Renney about it, regarding what Pyatt can do to get better, he had no specific things to say. He is stronger; he is getting the best use of his size. It just does not look hopeful. Now, could I be wrong? Certainly, but right now there are too many prospects ahead of him for Pyatt to make the list.

As for Zaborsky. There was never a question that he had some excellent offensive skills. He has greatly improved his responsibility defensively, and really showed quite a bit both in the AHL at the end of last year and at development camp. The next few weeks will be very important to see where he is emotionally, but his potential is definitely top 10.

Sauer. I very much like him and I don't think he had a bad rookie season, but he has another serious injury standing in his way. This has been a pattern for him over the years and if a player is not resilient, the likelihood of him fulfilling his potential is lessened greatly.

For Hagelin, see BrooklynRangersFan's post right above.

I know there are some folks on the boards that feel that Potter has the skill to be a second pairing defenseman in the NHL. Sorry, but I am not convinced of this. At the highest potential, stretching it, I think maybe. But he makes so many errors, I have my doubts.

Before you decide you think that Zaba does not belong where he is slotted, I encourage folks to watch him play--not when he was in college, now. He will get a good look in Traverse City and I believe he will meet the challenge. If he does not, I am sure that you will all razz me about my ranking him at 13.

As for Weise, he is the potential power forward that the Rangers have been looking for. He is big, tough and can score. Whether he can do so at the professional level remains to be seen, but I believe that his upside is higher than most who haven't seen him play yet.

That's about all the explanations for now. I knew that there would be lots of controversy about the rankings (below the top 5), and hope that as the season goes along, things will be sorted out more.

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Makes you feel good about the future when you see the prospects lined up together. The Top 7, IMO, are all very exciting prospects and the only beef I have is probably AA being above Sangs.

A guy like Hillier being at #14 shows real depth.

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i think tommy is more a casualty of being passed by alot of people rather than dropping tons....and can't say i disagree with it actually....

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Zaborsky and Byers are a little high, IMO, while I'd move Sauer and Potter up a bit. This is of course just my opinion, and I'm not going to condemn Leslie for having a different view on these players.

Oh, and Zaba... I really don't know a damn thing about him, short of his HDB bio. I'll take Leslie's word that he has talent.

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Pyatt should be there, Hagelin and Zaborsky's placements are a joke, Potter should be up more. Love the Greg Moore ranking.

Honestly, call me crazy, but AA should be #1. The progress he's made and the fact that he's already in NA and has a hell of a lot more of a chance of panning out nicely in the NHL more-so than Cherepanov, should be an easy #1. Cherepanov is ranked #1 only because of his raw skill, but it should be worth noting that he may never even come over. AA should be #1.
whats wrong with zaborsky? he rips everything in his path as of late , lol.

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no offense to AA, but why is he over Sangs?

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