At no point in our recent history have we ever TAKEN ON salery.
Except for Allison, Stumpel, Straka, Carter, Cechmanek, Klatt, Robitaille, Miller, Norstrom, Dempsey, and Cowan.
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We have traded Blake and Schnieder because we did not want to pay them what they were worth. We let Boucher walk because we did not want to pay him what he was worth.
We traded Rob and Matt at deadlines for what I consider good returns. Tough choices. Blake got what he wanted after handing back the captaincy, stirring the soup, and he ended up getting a couple more dollars and his cup, hope it makes him sleep good at night. Any way you slice it was the paying customer who footed the bill for his little butchfest, very nearly shot that season to hell.
Schnieder, he wanted out. We weren't going anywhere, remember that first horrible year of injuries? Two of the top five injury filled seasons all-time in two consecutive years. He brought Avery and a second and if you remember he was a good NOT great asset when he was here. If you put a bag of peanuts next to Lidstrom it would probably be in the top ten scorring defensmen in the league.
What was it? 4, 5, 6 whole years Boucher was on injured reserve. He played 1 good year and we were supposed to pony up? Well he had a good year his first in Dallas but his second was tainted by guess what? Injuries. He was carried for a long time without producing, so much for loyalty of players. Players and managment should both get down on their knees and pray fans never act so capriciously.
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I just don't see this management doing much of anything significant this offseason.
Who has been active yet? Free agency doesn't start for a few weeks and the CBA will probably make the signings string out longer than usual. By managment doing anything at this point, it is a very positive sign. Primeau signed for less maybe Ziggy will.
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personally if I were you, given your age and the numbers of years you have to look forward to being a kings fan, I'd be hoping beyond hope that the kings have a horrible 2004-5 season (if there is one) so that they could have a shot at Crosby next year. if you want a superstar, that is where you start...
So fashionable to be negative. I never want to have a top 10 pick again. Geez, people pull that wad o' jockey outta your butts. Show some sack! No more crying in your wine (some 2 buck Chuck). Get a sixpack, and some chicharones!
Guz, you're great. Keep on believing brother it's good to see someone so happy with management. How many of those signings were free agents which my arguement was based on? Klatt and Luc, not top name if you ask me. The rest were by trade and resignings and Cowen makes damn near close to what Brennan makes( that and Dempsey were our best moves of the year imo). With Schneider and Boucher leaving all we heard was who is going to play the point on the PP, and we never did fill the void left by both. Our PP has sucked since both are gone. Avery is great but we wasted the 2nd on Stumple which I'm sure if you would agree is not a #1. It's good to have fans like you guys, you don't happen to be Clipper fans as well?
Which winless streak did you like the most? Was it the 14 gamer before the all-star break 9 of the games with Ziggy, or was it the last 11 games of the year? Injuries or not, those last 11 were not all due to them, we just played better teams for the most part. Some changes need to happen and it may not be pretty for a while, but the future could sure be bright if done correctly imo.
I cant guarantee anything. Know one can. I dont know if Palffy is going to be signed. I dont know if management is going to spend money. I dont know if Deader and Ally are going to be signed or even play. I dont know how many of our free agents are going to be signed. BUT, WHAT I DO KNOW IS WE SHOULD HOPE FOR THINGS TO FALL INTO PLACE AND HOPE WE DO THESE THINGS.
I cant guarantee anything. Know one can. I dont know if Palffy is going to be signed. I dont know if management is going to spend money. I dont know if Deader and Ally are going to be signed or even play. I dont know how many of our free agents are going to be signed. BUT, WHAT I DO KNOW IS WE SHOULD HOPE FOR THINGS TO FALL INTO PLACE AND HOPE WE DO THESE THINGS.
K4L your right about hoping for the best, we all want the Kings to win even if we have different ideas how it can be done.
No need to rebuild right now. The Kings have plenty of talented prospects in the pipeline. As they mature and grow they will replace players that are getting older and want to get new contracts/retire. Lets think of it this way, here are the pros and cons of rebuilding:
pros:
-obtaining high draft picks
-more ice time for prospects close to regular NHL duty
-lower annual salary/more flexibility for free agent signing
-the possibility of unexpected success
cons:
-not all excellent amateur players become NHL stars, in fact few do
-the kings have numerous talented veterans that cannot be replaced easily (norstrom, miller, visnovsky, pallfy, straka)
-often times teams that are rebuilding push their prospects into roles that they are not ready to assume
-losing seasons = less fan interest (especially in L.A.) and less revenue
-difficulty attracting free agents to a losing team
-loss of veteran leadership
Feel free to add or complain about this list. It's off the top of my head and is far from exhaustive.
I think that rebuilding would be a big mistake for the kings. For the first time in a long time the kings finally have some depth and can bring their prospects along at their own pace. Even with missing a record number of games to injury the 2003-2004 kings almost made the play-offs. Their drafting success over the last 4 years has also been impressive.
If anything I think that the kings should continue to do what they have been doing. In my opinion DT has done a great job at trying to improve this organization every year. They might not win the cup in 2005 (I'm not suggesting that they should add a bunch of players and try to) but if the kings continue to draft well, make smart trades, and play their hardest they will continue to improve. Just think where the organization was 5 years ago.
One more thing. There is no reason to rebuild because there is probably going to be a lockout next season. It will end eventually, and I'm optomistic it will end sooner than later.
K4L your right about hoping for the best, we all want the Kings to win even if we have different ideas how it can be done.
I know you guys want the KINGS to win as much as I do thats why we are KINGS fan. AND PROUD OF IT! What I mean by hoping for the best is I hope that Ally and Deader or atleast one of them return to us next year and play a full season. With one of them and Ziggy we have the other pieces to be above 500 and make the playoffs and maybe even win the cup. Obviously we need to make other moves to but thats what I mean by putting the pieces together. Wouldnt you say that IF we retain Palffy and Ally then were just a few pieces and decisions away from becoming contenders? I think we shouldnt even consider rebuilding until we know Deader and Ally are not coming back because if they dont come back even with Ziggy were many pieces away from becoming SC contenders. I have hope were going to sign Ziggy and either Ally or Deader if not both are going to come back and play a full season and I have hope Straka, Carter are going to play well and maybe Stumpel can be on a second line and show how good of a player he is. Its not his fault hes forced to be something hes not(number 1 center). I think we have young players that can step in and contribute(Brown, Camms, Barney, etc.) I'm not going to post a message saying we should rebuild when theres so many question marks on this team. If these question marks and be answered positivly then we should not rebuild in my opinion. For me its a wait and see process.
Without Ziggy we might as well be an expansion team. With Ziggy we're an expansion team with a great scoring forward who gets beaten up frequently.
Yup pretty much. Even with Ziggy we are about as good as the Wild. They have better goaltending, we have better defense. Offensively, we are about the same.
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I'm not high, but I don't know what day it is.
Yup pretty much. Even with Ziggy we are about as good as the Wild. They have better goaltending, we have better defense. Offensively, we are about the same.
Ok, thats your opinion but I would like to know what our team looks like with Ziggy? Are you including Allison, Deader, Carter, Lappy, Stumpel, Luc?
AND theres no hope that we will use there combined about 9 mill+ salary on free agents?
What is the offseason for?
Some of that will be used to resign our RFAs like Lubo, we resigned Huet, Dempsey and Cowen. Do we resign Lappy? I hope we do, and he would make more than he did last year. I don't think we should even consider Deader and Allison until we know of their health status, which in all indications are unchanged.
Some of that will be used to resign our RFAs like Lubo, we resigned Huet, Dempsey and Cowen. Do we resign Lappy? I hope we do, and he would make more than he did last year. I don't think we should even consider Deader and Allison until we know of their health status, which in all indications are unchanged.
as the last couple of Stanley Cups have demonstrated, bringing in high salary players appears to be no more effective than just having a good skating, hard hitting, team-oriented approach mixed in with good goaltending. bringing in a bunch of 30-something high salaried veterans is a recipe for disaster...particularly financially. for all we know, AEG wants that $9-10 million banked to reduce the kings operating losses as well as probable reduction in revenue from the Lakers going forward (since things are not looking too rosy in Lakerland these days). bottom line, the kings are not going to be "trend setters" in going after high priced free agents PARTICULARLY with the new CBA agreement looming.
personally if I were you, given your age and the numbers of years you have to look forward to being a kings fan, I'd be hoping beyond hope that the kings have a horrible 2004-5 season (if there is one) so that they could have a shot at Crosby next year. if you want a superstar, that is where you start...
Lets not also forget that there is a lot of potential superstars in the 05 draft so even if they were to lose out on Crosby theyd still have a chance at Brule who depending on who your talking to is almost as good, plus a few other star potential players.
Lets not also forget that there is a lot of potential superstars in the 05 draft so even if they were to lose out on Crosby theyd still have a chance at Brule who depending on who your talking to is almost as good, plus a few other star potential players.
agreed. unfortunately, we live in an era where the attention span is the length of a video game and patience is measured in minutes.
What I mean by hoping for the best is I hope that Ally and Deader or atleast one of them return to us next year and play a full season. With one of them and Ziggy we have the other pieces to be above 500 and make the playoffs and maybe even win the cup. Obviously we need to make other moves to but thats what I mean by putting the pieces together. Wouldnt you say that IF we retain Palffy and Ally then were just a few pieces and decisions away from becoming contenders? I think we shouldnt even consider rebuilding until we know Deader and Ally are not coming back because if they dont come back even with Ziggy were many pieces away from becoming SC contenders. I have hope were going to sign Ziggy and either Ally or Deader if not both are going to come back and play a full season and I have hope Straka, Carter are going to play well and maybe Stumpel can be on a second line and show how good of a player he is. Its not his fault hes forced to be something hes not(number 1 center). I think we have young players that can step in and contribute(Brown, Camms, Barney, etc.) I'm not going to post a message saying we should rebuild when theres so many question marks on this team. If these question marks and be answered positivly then we should not rebuild in my opinion. For me its a wait and see process.
