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09-15-2008, 03:34 PM
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Halak never looked great in the NHL? Are you joking me?

In 22 GP he's posted a 2.71 GAA and a .913 SV% to go along with 3 shutouts. And he's only getting better.

I could see one player faulter.. but both? I doubt it.
Great stats, but each time I watch him play, I'm not convinced... But he did look great statistically, that's a fact.

He's still unproven with 22 GP.

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Does anyone see any holes or problems that we have with this years line-up.

I see ice time being a problem. We have 3 very solid scoring lines no matter what combination you may think we are going to use. Plus a very capable 4rth or "checking" line that needs to play as well. Kovalev needs ice time to be affective and you dont pay your 2nd and 3rd line centers to ride the pines. (Koivu & Lang) They need ice time to be affective to. Does Carbs roll his 4 lines, who plays special teams, i see Carbs having problems keeping everyone happy.

A hole i think we have hole on D. I think we are one solid defenseman a way from a stanley cup final berth. Marov and Komi are a great top pairing. I like Hammer and i think gorges is coming along great. But id like to see a top 4 d man picked up near the deadline. I think it was very obvious when Hammer was missing. A little more experience back there would go a long way in the PO's.

In my opinion, DEPTH is the most important element in winning the CUP because the Stanley Cup run is a two month long marathon even after you make it to the dance.

I believe that Bob is fully aware of this and has been building depth everywhere esp. up front and in net with Denis.

However, as some have pointed out earlier, we are very thin on D. If Markov goes down, there goes the season and the Cup.

Even with Markov in the lineup, I think that CH needs another experienced puck moving defenceman, with Stanely Cup ring if possible (experience is another thing that cannot be underrated and I don't think that we have enough experience on the team currently), to man the other point on the PP. If he comes with grit and a dash of nasty, that much better! --- Mathieu Schneider anyone?

An Ethan Moreau or Brandon Morrow type of big, bruising, never die type of gritty player who'll do anything to win up front or as a defensive D would be nice as well.

I hope that Chipchura can be that guy but dunno whether he can be or not at this point.

What I think that Bob is doing is giving Chips a shot at being THAT guy during the year before bringing in someone over him if Chips can't hack it...because I think that you need a good mix of both experience and youthful exuberance (sp?) and hunger on the team to be successful.

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09-15-2008, 03:50 PM
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Great stats, but each time I watch him play, I'm not convinced... But he did look great statistically, that's a fact.

He's still unproven with 22 GP.
Most teams back up are either unproven and young or old veterans that are nearing the end of there nhl careers or rebounding from a bad season. Personally I rather have a guy that has some upside like halak.

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09-15-2008, 04:02 PM
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Most teams back up are either unproven and young or old veterans that are nearing the end of there nhl careers or rebounding from a bad season. Personally I rather have a guy that has some upside like halak.
All our hopes at the goalie position rest on the shoulders of unproven tenders (Don't you dare argue that with Huet in nets we couldn't have gone further in the playoffs.)

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09-15-2008, 04:41 PM
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The hole, if there is one, is indeed in goal. Price is a terrific talent -- but he was , in truth , up and down all year , and he was just plain bad in the playoffs. Could be a learning curve -- but could also be a black hole, the black hole that a lot of talented players go down when they're brought up too early and asked to do too much.
Anyone remember Balor Moore?

Apart from that, this team should do just fine in the regular season . But have they added players who will go the distance in the playoffs, dig down when they're exhausted and find something more? Lang?
Laraque? Tangauy? Are they of that kind? We'll see -- and on that sight the season will depend.

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09-15-2008, 05:12 PM
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All our hopes at the goalie position rest on the shoulders of unproven tenders (Don't you dare argue that with Huet in nets we couldn't have gone further in the playoffs.)
Why are you bringing huet into the conversation? My main point is that most teams have young or veterans as back up so goal tending should not be an issue for us especially when we have a very good goal tending teacher. We were in the same situation last year with a unproven goalie in price as back up and we did just fine. Off course huet help us allot last year but you cant overlook the fact that price got us 24 wins last year. Can I remind you that huet did loose to the very same flyers in the first round so to say that if he would off been u round would not of guarantied us a longer playoffs.

Goal tending should not be an issue. Yeah there young but price and halak have to much talent to have a bad season. Chemistry should be more of a concern than anything in my opinion.

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09-15-2008, 05:16 PM
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No particular hole, but the team still lacks size and toughness up front, imo.

But ... you could say the same for the Wings...

For me, Halak & Price have ''proven'' anything they had to prove : that they can both steal games for their team. That's what every goaltender in every team will have to do next season.

MTL's offense will make the difference this year, specially 5 on 5.


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09-15-2008, 05:31 PM
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We're one top 4 defensemen short of an 82-0-0 season.

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09-15-2008, 05:32 PM
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The way I see it, there are still 4 holes right now. They're all pretty minor.

- Size/grit up front. Latendresse stepping up his game to the point where he gets top 6 icetime would go a long way here. Patches ought to solve this problem for good in a year or two.

- Lack of RH shots. Lang helps, but it would still be nice to have more than one in the lineup.

- Lack of a big shot on the PP. Sure when we lost Souray we had Streit to fill the void and were fine. But I don't think that just because Streit filled in for Souray, someone will automatically fill in for Streit. The PP should still be pretty good, but a heavy, accurate shot from the point would be a good thing. Someone might surprise me and fill this need this year, but I think it's something the team will be lacking all year.

- A shutdown center. A big center who can contain the best in the game, and who will win important faceoffs. Chipchura is the closest we've got and there's plenty of room for improvement there. Who knows though, this might be his year to break out.

Those are my 4 holes, and I don't think any are all that big. One nice thing is that there are prospects who should be ready in a year or two who can fill all of them. White/Chipchura for the defensive center, Weber, Subban and Valentenko for the PP, Patches and Latendresse for the size up front and D'Agostini for the RH shot. OK fine, the RH shot might be a problem for a while.

Another thing the team needs is a little more experience, particularly in the playoffs. That's not really a hole though, at least not in the spirit of this thread.

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09-15-2008, 05:39 PM
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Personally I think this is a year that MTL can go all the way....if Price delivers, which i think he can....I wont be surprised with the Cup back on Canadian soil again

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Last year, the biggest problem was that we had no defensive line. We lost points because Smoke's line wasn't good enough to protect leads at the end of games. In the playoffs, the team lost because nobody could stop Umberger's line. Yes, Chipchura is a defensive player but he has little experience and last year, he was a bit disapointing defensively. The others are either average defensively or simply just bad. Yes, this is still the major weakness.

Also, where are the offensive defensemans ? We lost Streit, he hasn't been replaced. So, it leaves us with only Markov and Brisebois as offensive defensemans. Brisebois will have a limited role again this season. So, we can forget pretty much forget the PP tactic we used for many years... shooting on the goalie from the point and taking the rebounds (yes, we used some other tactics, but it leaves us with one less).

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09-15-2008, 09:25 PM
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All our hopes at the goalie position rest on the shoulders of unproven tenders (Don't you dare argue that with Huet in nets we couldn't have gone further in the playoffs.)
I'll argue exactly that point. Price had two shutouts vs Boston including a 1-0 win in Boston, and a shutout in Game 7 where the bruins easily could have had the lead after the first period.

I not 100% convinced we even beat Boston with Huet in net.

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I'll argue exactly that point. Price had two shutouts vs Boston including a 1-0 win in Boston, and a shutout in Game 7 where the bruins easily could have had the lead after the first period.

I not 100% convinced we even beat Boston with Huet in net.
If you're not going to go with the best goalie prospect in the league, that was also one of the 10 best goalies in the 2nd half of the season, and won a playoff round...who do you go with?

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All our hopes at the goalie position rest on the shoulders of unproven tenders (Don't you dare argue that with Huet in nets we couldn't have gone further in the playoffs.)
You mean the same Huet who now has less playoff series wins than Price?

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I would say that our only hole right now that can't be covered within the system is an offensive defensmen to help Markov on the powerplay, i'm not a fan at all of having forwards play the point, not to mention that we don't have a forward right now who has a killer slapshot, i'm really crossing my fingers that both Hamrlik and Georges step it up offensively this year cause i think both have the potential to get alot more points then they got last year, especially Georges who's a pretty good puck carrier and has a real good slapper witch he hasn't had the chance to show until now.

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I don't see any major problems. But adding another experienced D-man to play in our top 4 would have been nice.
I agree. But besides that... our current lineup is worth a honest try.

if obyrne doesnt play up to the expectations, then we can get someone....

its our 100th anniversary, happy stanley cup guys....

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All our hopes at the goalie position rest on the shoulders of unproven tenders (Don't you dare argue that with Huet in nets we couldn't have gone further in the playoffs.)
Yep, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marc Denis shows up and delivers if, god forbids, some injury occur.
I think that with a solid D-corp, he could end up being a good gamble.
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We're one top 4 defensemen short of an 82-0-0 season.
Again, let's hope that our top 4 stays healthy most of the season. I'm curious to see where Carle and Valetenko are at in terms of development.
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Personally I think this is a year that MTL can go all the way....if Price delivers, which i think he can....I wont be surprised with the Cup back on Canadian soil again
We are gonna need all elements to go our way to reach the cup. I like where we're going.

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Biggest hole I see, if one of our top d-men goes down Brisebois gets to step in. During the year that's not too bad. In the playoffs it could spell trouble.

Aside from that, I think we've got an exciting team.

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In my opinion, DEPTH is the most important element in winning the CUP because the Stanley Cup run is a two month long marathon even after you make it to the dance.

I believe that Bob is fully aware of this and has been building depth everywhere esp. up front and in net with Denis.

However, as some have pointed out earlier, we are very thin on D. If Markov goes down, there goes the season and the Cup.

Even with Markov in the lineup, I think that CH needs another experienced puck moving defenceman, with Stanely Cup ring if possible (experience is another thing that cannot be underrated and I don't think that we have enough experience on the team currently), to man the other point on the PP. If he comes with grit and a dash of nasty, that much better! --- Mathieu Schneider anyone?

An Ethan Moreau or Brandon Morrow type of big, bruising, never die type of gritty player who'll do anything to win up front or as a defensive D would be nice as well.

I hope that Chipchura can be that guy but dunno whether he can be or not at this point.

What I think that Bob is doing is giving Chips a shot at being THAT guy during the year before bringing in someone over him if Chips can't hack it...because I think that you need a good mix of both experience and youthful exuberance (sp?) and hunger on the team to be successful.
I agree with this 100%. We need one more two-way Dman and it can't be Breezer.

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I agree with this 100%. We need one more two-way Dman and it can't be Breezer.
Agreed with the both of you, except on the Brendan Morrow/Ethan Moreau type player. There's a huge difference between those two, I'd say the Habs don't need a Moreau at all, but I'd take Brendan Morrow over any forward on the team but Kovalev and maybe Koivu.

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IMO, we could have a hole in goal.

Price and Halak are very talented and Price was good last year, but they are still unproven.

Price could suffer from a sophomore jinx and Halak never looked so great and the NHL.

Goaltending could be a strenght as it could be a weakness. At least, BG tried to address taht hole by signing Denis, but i'm not convinced.
I agree. It's my big concern too.

I'm not that worried about the D. There's a lot of depth if we count potential. Carle could be ready this year to jump in for a few games here and there to be a limited minute, PP specialist. Valentenko might be ready too if someone like Bouillon or Gorges goes down. It would be better to have another experienced 2-way defenceman, but overall I think the top 3, the depth and the prospects make up a pretty sound corps.

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All our hopes at the goalie position rest on the shoulders of unproven tenders (Don't you dare argue that with Huet in nets we couldn't have gone further in the playoffs.)
Don't impose your will on us, please. We'll damn well say that the Habs wouldn't have gone further if that's what we think. Huet has never won a playoff series. He was in goal when Carolina bumped the Habs. He was in goal when Philly bumped the Caps, and you're telling us that this man would taken the Habs to the next round?

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Although we have a nice balanced offense, with Sundin unable to make up his freakin' mind, we're still lacking that one true superstar who can put the opposition away in tight games or when the other goalie is playing over his head.

Also, I still feel that we need a true top 4 defenseman to be a legitimate contender like the Red Wings.

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I want a defenceman too, but there is no need to do it now... It can easily be done with our capspace at the deadline.

We are gonna be all in this year.

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Although we have a nice balanced offense, with Sundin unable to make up his freakin' mind, we're still lacking that one true superstar who can put the opposition away in tight games or when the other goalie is playing over his head.

Also, I still feel that we need a true top 4 defenseman to be a legitimate contender like the Red Wings.
You mean the Red Wings with Osgood and Conklin in the nets? Can't wait to see how this duo can do this season.

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