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09-15-2008, 08:12 PM
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Only IF he returns to form.


Hanzus's contract would be a good deal if he returns to form.

McCauly's contract would have been a good deal...

Cloutier's contract would have been a a good deal...


I think there's plenty to be worried about regarding Stoll's contract.
The problem with those players is that they had injuries that disabled them from skating or moving as well as they used to. Stoll's injury did not hamper his skating. He demonstrated last season that he is not suffering from his one concussion.

Have any of you played hockey? Tons of hockey players get concussions and come back. Some are more severe than others and take time to fully recover from (which he did). This isn't a Jason Allison or Adam Deadmarsh type injury that has been a recurring problem for Stoll.

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09-15-2008, 08:14 PM
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Only IF he returns to form.


Hanzus's contract would be a good deal if he returns to form.

McCauly's contract would have been a good deal...

Cloutier's contract would have been a a good deal...


I think there's plenty to be worried about regarding Stoll's contract.
I thought Cloutier was in full form?

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very nice to read about these signings. Good to have to some good news!

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The problem with those players is that they had injuries that disabled them from skating or moving as well as they used to. Stoll's injury did not hamper his skating. He demonstrated last season that he is not suffering from his one concussion.
No, but it affected another vital part of his game: tenacity. Stoll simply played scared when he played at all. That is not a quality a checking center can afford to lose.

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No, but it affected another vital part of his game: tenacity. Stoll simply played scared when he played at all. That is not a quality a checking center can afford to lose.
Yet he still led the Oilers in hits.

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Yet he still lead the Oilers in hits.
stupid stats!

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09-15-2008, 08:59 PM
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Yet he still led the Oilers in hits.
And led all Oilers forwards in blocked shots. Something the Kings could use...

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And led all Oilers forwards in blocked shots. Something the Kings could use...

yeah, i was gonna say, wasn't he like 4th on the team and 1st among forwards?

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09-15-2008, 09:48 PM
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yeah, i was gonna say, wasn't he like 4th on the team and 1st among forwards?
Some people look at the off season and losing Cammalleri as a big blow.

Did this team have any trouble scoring goals, with or without Cammalleri, last season?

Then they fail to recognize that two and possibly three players were added to improve the one area that needs the most improvement. Goals against.

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He demonstrated last season that he is not suffering from his one concussion.
But he didn't demonstrate his ability to score at the same pace as he did before.

Again, there's good reason to be concerned about this signing.

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This is all speculation but I have been thinking about some of the long(er) term contracts that Lombardi has been handing out. In regards to Handzus and Stoll it appears that he is willing to pay a premium for extra effort in defense. Roughly four million for each per year. There has always been the saying "be strong up the middle." Maybe Lombardi is trying to set examples for the younger players by having strong defensive centers and showing them how much money they can earn.

Unrelated to my previous point I am thrilled those two guys are signed. I fully admit that I am what has been coined as a Dean Lombardi "apologist" but I get as worried as the next guy when the RFAs don't get signed. I see both players playing significant minutes next season ... whether or not they play a significant role in scoring is completely a different story.

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09-16-2008, 12:17 AM
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But he didn't demonstrate his ability to score at the same pace as he did before.

Again, there's good reason to be concerned about this signing.
Statistically, the numbers Stoll posted are about where I would expect them to be as a 3rd checking line center. Now as a 2nd line center, I expect him to hit the 50-60 point mark and I think that is feasible and within his reach when playing with a winger like Frolov. If Armstrong could score 40+ points playing with Frolov, I see no reason why Stoll couldn't exceed those numbers.

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09-16-2008, 12:29 AM
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If Armstrong could score 40+ points playing with Frolov, I see no reason why Stoll couldn't exceed those numbers.
Best point ever. I think that about wraps up the 'can Stoll score enough' argument.

As far as Richardson goes, I was just thrilled to see a real update today. I thought he might get a little more $$$, but hey, the price is really of no consequence to me. I like the term though, 2 years is perfect, if he kicks ass then expect him to get another 2 or more years for close to 2 million if not more, otherwise, get the hell out of the way for one of the prospects and give us a nice return at next years deadline when we should actually finally be buyers for a playoff push.

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How much did Richardson make last year?

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How much did Richardson make last year?
Probably the same amount. DL only gives raises to players coming off of injuries.

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Only IF he returns to form.

Cloutier's contract would have been a a good deal...
IF he was traded somewhere else two years ago...

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Probably the same amount. DL only gives raises to players coming off of injuries.

isn't Richardson coming off of a broken something or other that limited him last season?

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isn't Richardson coming off of a broken something or other that limited him last season?
Wrist injury IIRC.

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CBA junkies: can Richardson be sent to Manchester without waivers on this contract?

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CBA junkies: can Richardson be sent to Manchester without waivers on this contract?
No.

A 23 year old player would have to have less than 60 NHL games played to be exempt from waivers. Richardson has played in 136 games.

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How much did Richardson make last year?
2005-06: $525,000
2006-07: $550,000
2007-08: $600,000

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So he took a paycut?

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2005-06: $525,000
2006-07: $550,000
2007-08: $600,000
Where did you find those numbers? I checked nhlscap.com and did a cursory google search. Do you know of a resource with salaries and CBA information? Any help would be great.

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Best point ever. I think that about wraps up the 'can Stoll score enough' argument.
Stoll led all Oiler forwards in total ice time last year, he also led all Oiler players in power play ice time, AND spent over a over a third of the season on the 1st line with Hemsky, but was still unable to hit 40 points.

If Handzus and Stoll don't rebound the Kings will have 8.6M worth of CAP space tied up in 3rd/4th line centers for the next 3 seasons.

Based on my 15 years of experience as a Kings fan, my outlook on this situation is less than optimistic.

I hope Stoll works out for us, but this is a high risk signing, and IMO an unnecessary one. I'm amazed at how many of seem to be completely unconcerned.

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Where did you find those numbers? I checked nhlscap.com and did a cursory google search. Do you know of a resource with salaries and CBA information? Any help would be great.
CBA information can be found by downloading a copy from nhlpa.com.

Past salary information can be found at the following link.

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/h...s/default.aspx

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