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09-16-2008, 02:30 AM
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I'm just curious Jeff, whos' that 1A/1B center in your idea? because I don't see it.
I'd say incredible for 2nd line or barely adequate 1st line center. There are worse 1st line centers in the NHL.

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09-16-2008, 02:42 AM
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I'd say incredible for 2nd line or barely adequate 1st line center. There are worse 1st line centers in the NHL.
Steen or Antropov?

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09-16-2008, 02:44 AM
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Steen or Antropov?
I'm sorry... I thought we were talking about Jeff Carter. Don't worry about it. Light are on but nobody's home.

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If Kovalchuk gets moved it will be because he does not want to resign with Atlanta, if he does not want to resign with Atlanta wtf would he want to resign with the Leafs.

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09-16-2008, 06:35 AM
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Too much of an overpayment by Toronto. I doubt any team would have to pay that much.
LOL I love how delusional Leaf fans are.

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Marian Hossa went for a late first round pick, a mid range prospect with tremendous upside, a top 9 forward, and a top 6 forward. All of this happened during the trade deadline which has always lead to trade inflation. Of course having Kovalchuk for two season rather than 4 months should increase his price. There wasn't a lack of competition for Hossa's services and you would assume the same for Kovalchuk's.

Dan Boyle is another example of a recent star that was traded. He went for a late first round pick, a top 3 defenceman and a bluechip prospect. But he was signed long term (5 years) and not for just 2 seasons. He also gave a small list of teams his services could be traded to, which lowered competition for him.

Looking at these two examples of star players being traded the first example looks like a wild overpayment.

Early First round Pick
Two top 6 forwards
Top 2 defenceman
Top 9 Forward with potential
Midrange Prospect

Breaking it down it seems that you could almost trade for both Hossa and Boyle. I understand that maybe Kovalchuk is better than Hossa or Boyle but not both.

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Midrange prospect, top 9 forward, top 6 forward

Boyle
Top 2 defenceman, top 6 forward, Early first round pick
Realistically I would expect a deal slightly better than the Hossa one. Since the original poster used the Maple Leafs I'll use them for an example proposal. I wouldn't expect that the Leafs would make a deal like this in their current state of rebuilding. It should be noted that I am a fan of their team and am prone to overrating their players.

Anton Stralman (Top 4 Defence with potential)
Alexander Steen (Top 6 Forward with potential)
Nik Antropov (Top 6 Forward)
Jimmy Hayes (midrange prospect with potential)

Anton Stralman is a talented young defenceman waiting to break out.
Alexander Steen is also a talented young player who started to play to his potential at the end of the season.
A healthy Nik Antropov can be traded for a first round pick come trade deadline time.
The difference between Hayes and Esposito is that Hayes fell a year earlier in hockey rankings for his draft.

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09-16-2008, 07:52 AM
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Please ban this guy.

I have rocks in my backyard with a higher hockey IQ than jeffleafsfan91.

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09-16-2008, 08:47 AM
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Realistically I would expect a deal slightly better than the Hossa one. Since the original poster used the Maple Leafs I'll use them for an example proposal. I wouldn't expect that the Leafs would make a deal like this in their current state of rebuilding. It should be noted that I am a fan of their team and am prone to overrating their players.
Realistically speaking, the Toronto Maple Leafs should NOT make a trade for Kovalchuk. They are about to start a much needed rebuild (or at least a mini-rebuild.) Dealing future assests like Schenn makes zero sense from their perspective. Even with Kovy, Toronto isn't gonna challenge for the Top8. Why not stay in Atlanta?

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09-16-2008, 08:58 AM
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If Kovalchuk gets moved it will be because he does not want to resign with Atlanta, if he does not want to resign with Atlanta wtf would he want to resign with the Leafs.
maybe he enjoys the spotlight. It's a lot brighter in toronto.

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09-16-2008, 09:04 AM
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maybe he enjoys the spotlight. It's a lot brighter in toronto.
If he wanted spotlight why would he not just move to Russia and be worshiped as god.

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09-16-2008, 09:06 AM
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If he wanted spotlight why would he not just move to Russia and be worshiped as god.
Because he wants to go to bed at night believing that he's scoring with and scoring on the best in the world when he plays.

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09-16-2008, 10:14 AM
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Kovalchuk needs to get out of Atlanta. Toronto is in desperate need of a superstar. Atlanta needs to get more quality good players rather than just 1 good one. So here it is...

Ilya Kovalchuk
Todd White

for

Alex Steen
Jiri Tlusty
Alexei Ponikarovsky
Pavel Kubina
Dimitri Vorabeiv
1st in 2010

This gives Atlanta a great young center who could be a 1a 1b with Little. Tlusty is a good young player who i believe could be on a second line this year. Kubina is very underrated and would easily become the thrashers number 1 defenseman. Vorabeiv is a great player the only problem is getting him over. And a Leafs 1st round draft pick is usually somehting pretty valuable to have

Toronto gets a superstar finally and gets a durable 2nd or 3rd line center.

I think this would really help out both teams in the future.

Leafs sign Bouwmeester and Cammalleri in the Summer and they are have officially done a quick fix.

Leafs 2009-10 Lines

Kulemin-Cammalleri-Kovalchuk
Blake-Antropov-Duchene/Schenn
Hagman-Stajan-Bell
Mayers-Moore-Devereaux

Kaberle-Stralman
Bouwmeester-Finger
Van Ryn-Colaiacovo

Toskala

Atlanta 2009-10 Lines

Christensen-Little-Tavares
Kozlov-Steen-Tlusty

Kubina-Enstrom
Bogosian-Hainsey
Man, I hope Atlanta doesn't try to play with only two lines next year.

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09-16-2008, 02:55 PM
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Bad deal for both teams, but especially brutal for Toronto. Pass.

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09-16-2008, 03:36 PM
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This is a lose/lose kind of deal. Toronto needs to keep guys like Tlusty, Steen and definitely their first. They are REBUILDING. If they were done rebuilding and had a bunch of assets to trade then yes, do it but their prospects are slim. Plus, we don't have many picks for next year, NO MORE TRADING PICKS.

Atlanta doesn't do this because Kovalchuk could get better quality. These guys are good but his trade value is probably very high.

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This is a lose/lose kind of deal. Toronto needs to keep guys like Tlusty, Steen and definitely their first. They are REBUILDING. If they were done rebuilding and had a bunch of assets to trade then yes, do it but their prospects are slim. Plus, we don't have many picks for next year, NO MORE TRADING PICKS.

Atlanta doesn't do this because Kovalchuk could get better quality. These guys are good but his trade value is probably very high.
its okay because the leafs are going to sign cammalleri and bouwmeester in the summer so you guys are going to have a quick-easy fix

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09-16-2008, 06:00 PM
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This is a lose/lose kind of deal. Toronto needs to keep guys like Tlusty, Steen and definitely their first. They are REBUILDING. If they were done rebuilding and had a bunch of assets to trade then yes, do it but their prospects are slim. Plus, we don't have many picks for next year, NO MORE TRADING PICKS.

Atlanta doesn't do this because Kovalchuk could get better quality. These guys are good but his trade value is probably very high.
Pretty much what I was going to say. Toronto gives up too much and becomes a weaker team overall despite having a superstar on the roster. The only reason Atlanta considers this is because it gives them greater offensive depth. You have Steen (50-55 pts at his peak), Tlusty (25g, possibly 60 pts at his peak), Kubina (40-45 pts), and Ponikarovsky (20g, 40 pts). That added offensive depth makes you a LOT tougher to match up against, and also protects your team against injury a little more.

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