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09-16-2008, 11:58 AM
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We dont have the cap anymore even if we unload Dandenault i've done the math...
Really?
That sucks, what if he clears and comes back or if the Habs deal Begin as well?
I guess Bouillon too because he would be pointless to have around.

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09-16-2008, 11:59 AM
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I find it hard to believe that schneider couldn't even deliver some sort of return... unless the ducks want absolutely no salary coming back.... but even then, burke could have taken a flyer on some prospect. Surely, you could get SOMETHING for him.

I dont get it
Probably because teams knew that he'd waive him.. so they'll play the luck card instead of giving up an asset.

He's a great complimentary player, but I don't think teams want to be giving up 2nd round picks for him.

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I agree.. but not every HF user agrees.

Some want him as the 14th forward to let him honour his contract, blah blah blah. They'd rather have Chipper play in the minors.
I'll play devil's advocate for a minute and say that there is some merit to that argument. The way a successful club treats it's veterans has an effect on its ability to both attract and retain talent. If you were a veteran would you consider signing with Anaheim after the way they treated Schneider?

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I agree.. but not every HF user agrees.

Some want him as the 14th forward to let him honour his contract, blah blah blah. They'd rather have Chipper play in the minors.
Well that's Dandenault's fault cause he doesn't wanna be that guy who comes in once in a while and does the job,he just can't do it anymore every night and he doesn't understand that

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I find it hard to believe that schneider couldn't even deliver some sort of return... unless the ducks want absolutely no salary coming back.... but even then, burke could have taken a flyer on some prospect. Surely, you could get SOMETHING for him.

I dont get it
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So Burke can't trade Schneider even for 6th round? Better than nothing ..... Weird ...
Everyone said the same things last year when Burke waived Bryzgalov...either Burke overvalues his players like crazy or...I don't know what.

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09-16-2008, 12:00 PM
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I hope LA picks him up. That way at least we could get him at the deadlime.

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09-16-2008, 12:01 PM
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Well it looks more and more that Tanguay will play the point on PP and we have the depth up front for..

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09-16-2008, 12:02 PM
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Everyone said the same things last year when Burke waived Bryzgalov...either Burke overvalues his players like crazy or...I don't know what.
I can understand how bryz may have fallen through the cracks. Goalies weren't fetching much return on the market last season.

But d-men are a highly demanded commodity in this league... just look at how much an average d-men make in this league on the open market.

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I'll play devil's advocate for a minute and say that there is some merit to that argument. The way a successful club treats it's veterans has an effect on its ability to both attract and retain talent. If you were a veteran would you consider signing with Anaheim after the way they treated Schneider?
Sign with a Californian team that has Pronger, Getzlaf, maybe Scott Niedermayer? Sure.

I'm sure these guys realize it's a business, and when players are no longer useful to a team they need to be moved. If anything, it might even encourage me to sign there because their GM isn't afraid to do what's necessary to win.

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I can understand how bryz may have fallen through the cracks. Goalies weren't fetching much return on the market last season.

But d-men are a highly demanded commodity in this league... just look at how much an average d-men make in this league on the open market.
This is true, but again, I still found it hard that a team wouldn't give up something - anything, a 7th rounder, a total bust of a prospect, etc - for Bryz. Now it's the same situation with Schneider.

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Really?
That sucks, what if he clears and comes back or if the Habs deal Begin as well?
I guess Bouillon too because he would be pointless to have around.
that would be possible.

We unload Dandenault 1.725m$, Begin 1.064m$, Bouillon 1.875m$ current cap space 1m$ = 5.664m$
Schneider : 5.625m$

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Sign with a Californian team that has Pronger, Getzlaf, maybe Scott Niedermayer? Sure.

I'm sure these guys realize it's a business, and when players are no longer useful to a team they need to be moved.
That's the completely pragmatic way of looking at it, but what I'm saying is that treating players like disposable commodities also has a cost.

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I agree.. but not every HF user agrees.

Some want him as the 14th forward to let him honour his contract, blah blah blah. They'd rather have Chipper play in the minors.
id rather have chip in the minors than having him as our 14th forward...

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That's the completely pragmatic way of looking at it, but what I'm saying is that treating players like disposable commodities also has a cost.
Exactly. Nobody wants Dandy on the team, but he's still there because that's how Gainey does business.

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just watch phoenix or the CBJ pick him up ..if phoenix does, they become a very very strong contender for a playoff spot (from strong)

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I agree.. but not every HF user agrees.

Some want him as the 14th forward to let him honour his contract, blah blah blah. They'd rather have Chipper play in the minors.

Better for Chips development to be playing top minutes in the AHL then to take Dandenault's spot in the press box.

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09-16-2008, 12:18 PM
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damn that sucks! why was bob not able to trade for him?

will be a nice pickup for LA, or ATL?? or even STL?

in either case someone will probably offer a 1st round pick for him at the deadline...

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09-16-2008, 12:19 PM
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Everyone said the same things last year when Burke waived Bryzgalov...either Burke overvalues his players like crazy or...I don't know what.
He's a bad poker player. He was trying to bluff what few customers he had into giving up something. Maybe the Habs were mildly curious, maybe not. But say they were. Ok, so he thought he could extract _something_ from somebody out there. "Look, LA or whoever is under the floor. They'll give me something, Bob. Can you beat them?" "No, sorry Burkie, we're going to take Lang and Breezy instead for a 2nd." Uh.. er... whups. Now there's nobody. Instead of waiting to see if some new customer emerges or he can salvage his hand somehow, he just gets frustrated and folds.

Maybe nobody was ever interested in Schneider at all. Or maybe it always involved them taking salary back, and they just couldn't afford to take any back at all. Selanne wasn't taking that much of a hometown discount? I guess we'll never know.

I'd put in a claim from the Habs anyway. I mean, it's not likely we'll get him with 20-some other teams ahead of us. And if we do get him, it's true we can't afford him. But let him go through camp, see where the chips fall, worst case we dump him back on waivers before October 1st. Who knows what will happen in camp.

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09-16-2008, 12:22 PM
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damn that sucks! why was bob not able to trade for him?
Maybe, just maybe Bob and Co think our D squad can do the job? We don't seem to have a lot of confidence in O'Byrne but Carbo's comment, before the camp, that his top 6 is set and Breezer comes as #7, could it be an indication that they believe that O'Byrne will do the job?

I know I would never expected Carbo to say something like that prior to the camp. Who really knows how O'Byrne will handle himself? Seems that they do...

As far as who can pick up Schneider. I really hope it's not LA 'cause I was counting on them to pick Dandenault....but now that they signed Stoll and Richardson, seems to me that the "floor" is no longer a problem....

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Maybe, just maybe Bob and Co think our D squad can do the job? We don't seem to have a lot of confidence in O'Byrne but Carbo's comment, before the camp, that his top 6 is set and Breezer comes as #7, could it be an indication that they believe that O'Byrne will do the job?

I know I would never expected Carbo to say something like that prior to the camp. Who really knows how O'Byrne will handle himself? Seems that they do...

As far as who can pick up Schneider. I really hope it's not LA 'cause I was counting on them to pick Dandenault....but now that they signed Stoll and Richardson, seems to me that the "floor" is no longer a problem....
I think Bob and Carbo see O'byrne as a piece of the future. Gainey signed him to a three year contract and gave him 1.4 in the final year. That shows that Bob thinks quite highly of him and thinks he is a long-term asset. I can't say that I am suprised. He is quite talented, very mobile, can hit like a bulldozer and has untapped offensive potential. I think in the next two seasons we are going to see what this kid really has to offer, and I think it will be quite a pleasant suprise for some.

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Apparently you can't trade a waiver claim during the season you claimed him.

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that would be possible.

We unload Dandenault 1.725m$, Begin 1.064m$, Bouillon 1.875m$ current cap space 1m$ = 5.664m$
Schneider : 5.625m$
lol, that would leave, what? barely 40 K of cap space? We'd be screwed if any sort of injury bug hit.

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that would be possible.

We unload Dandenault 1.725m$, Begin 1.064m$, Bouillon 1.875m$ current cap space 1m$ = 5.664m$
Schneider : 5.625m$
In a perfect world

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How long does the waiver take? i.e. how long before we know the list of teams interested in picking Schneider up?

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How long does the waiver take? i.e. how long before we know the list of teams interested in picking Schneider up?
24h after the player is waived

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So Burke can't trade Schneider even for 6th round? Better than nothing ..... Weird ...
Indeed, one would think they could get something.

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