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09-16-2008, 02:08 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure about this, word out of the Kings Rich Hammond is there might have been some issues with Scheidner and the coaching staff in the past and that he is not really a leader in the dressing room.

Lombardi has made it clear he wants a player who is good with the kids, wants to come to LA not just for the weather or convienance and is left handed shot with a one year deal. Sure, Scheidner fits the second two...but maybe not the first.

I think the Kings want Aucoin.
Schneider didn't get along with Andy Murray. The thing that is holding the Kings back I think is that Schneider isn't really a leader like they are looking for.

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Where's the claim list I mean where you can see the team positions?

Soon Teemu will sign for 2 mil!
I may be wrong (i've been pretty wrong in this thread lol) but its just basically the worst-first in record.

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Please, even Schneider said that he knew the risk of signing the contract because of Niedermayer, he has said this many times.
So then it had nothing to do with respect.

Then why even try to pass this off as some sort of respect?

Respect isn't signing a Free agent and Waiving him a year later, after all accounts he didnt have a terrible season.

call it what it is, not what you want it to be so people dont slam your GM.

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Schneider didn't get along with Andy Murray. The thing that is holding the Kings back I think is that Schneider isn't really a leader like they are looking for.
i also think it's money compounded by having to pay an essentially dead asset whose deadline movability is GREATLY mitigated under the terms of this specific type of acquisition.

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Is LA at the cap floor yet?
O'Sullivan would put them over. However, if a prospect beats a guy like Kyle Calder or Derek Armstrong for a spot then that might get the Kings closer to the floor.

There's no doubt Schneider would get them out of the "danger zone" to where the Calder v. prospect scenario wouldn't hurt the Kings in terms of getting too close to the floor.

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So then it had nothing to do with respect.

Then why even try to pass this off as some sort of respect?

Respect isn't signing a Free agent and Waiving him a year later, after all accounts he didnt have a terrible season.

call it what it is, not what you want it to be so people dont slam your GM.
What are you talking about? People are going to slam Burke regardless of what I say. I am stating my opinion on what transpired...is that ok with you? Schneider was aware that this sort of thing could happen the moment he signed with Anaheim, this isnt something that came out of nowhere.

And yes, I still believe he was waived now instead of held onto for a month longer because of some Bryzgalovesque deal with Schneider. Selanne didnt have to be signed now, he could have waited another month until the regular season started.

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So you at the time thought Ribeiro for Niinimaa was a good idea? So did your GM. See, sometimes GM's make mistakes. Even Brian Burke. Even the "Great" Bob Gainey.
No, I didn't think it was a good idea. But Ribeiro is a guy who had very little value at the time he was traded too, but at least Gainey got something back from him, which is exactly my point. No, Niinimaa didn't work out, but it was a gamble. What's Burke gaining by not getting anything back for Schneider? Cap space? Yes okay, he needs that, but how is that good asset management? I could excuse it if it happened once, but when he's already done it with Bryzgalov, then it's just stupid.

Anyway what was the point in bringing that trade into this in the first place? At no point did I ever say anything about Gainey being a better or flawless GM, so I'm not sure what your problem is. Just because I think Burke's made some dumb moves means I think the GM of my favorite team is untouchable?

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I'm sorry fellow habs fan, but he's right. That would be revisionist history if you talked about Niinimaa being worth crap in his Edmonton days, but it was clear in Dallas that he wasn't an NHL caliber Dman anymore. Sure, Ribeiro had to leave and I don't think we could have get a good return considering that. At least, there was some hope that Niinimaa could return to his old form.
Actually in Dallas he had a very good preseason, scoring I think two goals in 6 games maybe? Even some Dallas fans were saying he might return to form in Montreal. Anyway, again: I'm not defending the trade. It was putrid.

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LA, Atl, or StL will not take him - I think any rebuilding team would be foolish to take him as he is not a difference maker, so if LA would take him they would be paying 5.625 to move back in the draft.

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1. TBL → Y'never know
2. LA → Most likely. They were in talks about him already?
3. Atl → They want to run with their rookies, i believe
4. STL → don't see it. Not now.
5. NYI → would be in-line with a Snow action
6. CBJ → maaaybe
7. TO → sure, why not? But they sacrifice Sundin.
8. PHO → well, they could improve their D
9. FLA → already solid on D
10. VAN → opens up a Bieksa trade

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I wouldn't be so sure about this, word out of the Kings Rich Hammond is there might have been some issues with Scheidner and the coaching staff in the past and that he is not really a leader in the dressing room.

Lombardi has made it clear he wants a player who is good with the kids, wants to come to LA not just for the weather or convienance and is left handed shot with a one year deal. Sure, Scheidner fits the second two...but maybe not the first.

I think the Kings want Aucoin.
I saw the Kings the last two years, and it's clear to me that Dean Lombardi doesn't know how to find those guys. He wanted Rob Blake and Aaron Miller to be those guys, to the point where he traded the captain of the team because Rob Blake wanted him too, didn't trade Aaron Miller because he wanted to re-sign him (Miller scoffed at that, he was upset ever since he signed his last extension with the Kings), and Rob Blake turned out to be the anti-captain and frankly, is a jerk off, and is a disgrace to the organization. If it's not Schnieder then it needs to be someone he can get for nothing and stop waiting for a deal to fall into his lap like he got for Denis Gauthier. They can at least trade him at the deadline, someone will want him then.

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LA, Atl, or StL will not take him - I think any rebuilding team would be foolish to take him as he is not a difference maker, so if LA would take him they would be paying 5.625 to move back in the draft.
What? A vet guy on a one year deal that could help out the kids, and in LAs case, get them above the floor, all without losing any sort of asset. I dont see much of a negative there. Low risk/high reward.

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O'Sullivan would put them over. However, if a prospect beats a guy like Kyle Calder or Derek Armstrong for a spot then that might get the Kings closer to the floor.

There's no doubt Schneider would get them out of the "danger zone" to where the Calder v. prospect scenario wouldn't hurt the Kings in terms of getting too close to the floor.
That's what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Cheers.

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So when is the soonest we will know who gets him?

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1. TBL → Y'never know
2. LA → Most likely. They were in talks about him already?
3. Atl → They want to run with their rookies, i believe
4. STL → don't see it. Not now.
5. NYI → would be in-line with a Snow action
Enlighten us. How would this be in line with a "Snow action?" Exactly how many other expensive players has Snow picked up on waivers?


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6. CBJ → maaaybe
7. TO → sure, why not? But they sacrifice Sundin.
8. PHO → well, they could improve their D
9. FLA → already solid on D
10. VAN → opens up a Bieksa trade
Sure, "why not" as you say. Then Fletcher could pay another team to take his contract as he did with McCabe, or he could buy him out as he did with Tucker (and will eventually have to do with Blake).

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For all you "TSN or GTFO" people

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=249682&l...s=topStory_nhl

edit: should work now


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Hah! Looks good on your Burkie...the two players you overpaid to get out of the Wings organization you had to waive a year later AFTER the Wings won the cup. WINGS RULE !!!!

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edit: lol the site's down now.
TSN has been crashing a lot lately, wth is up

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Sure, "why not" as you say. Then Fletcher could pay another team to take his contract as he did with McCabe, or he could buy him out as he did with Tucker (and will eventually have to do with Blake).
Umm, someone correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you all will with a newbie poster), but Fletcher CAN'T pay someone to take Schneider's contract, as he can't be traded if picked up off of waivers (as opposed to re-entry waivers). And he wouldn't have to buy him out, as Schneider is on the last year of his contract.

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For all you "TSN or GTFO" people

http://http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2...s=secStory_nhl

edit: lol the site's down now.


Look at the URL. It's all mucked up.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2496...s=secStory_nhl - good URL

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Where's the claim list I mean where you can see the team positions?

Soon Teemu will sign for 2 mil!
Please, somebody correct this if it's wrong, but this is what I have.

RankTeamCap Space
30Tampa Bay Lightning2,542,500
29Los Angeles Kings17,823,717
28Atlanta Thrashers15,811,989
27St Louis Blues5,570,834
26New York Islanders12,893,433
25Columbus Blue Jackets6,125,000
24Toronto Maple Leafs7,601,667
23Phoenix Coyotes13,008,750
22Florida Panthers2,825,000
21Vancouver Canucks8,984,167
20Chicago Blackhawks591,144
19Edmonton Oilers2,190,780
18Buffalo Sabres8,177,111
17Nashville Predators12,421,413
16Carolina Hurricanes7,483,333
15Boston Bruins1,363,334
14Calgary Flames-890,834
13Ottawa Senators3,222,671
12Washington Capitals-2,692,212
11Philadelphia Flyers-1,031,667
10Colorado Avalanche8,880,417
9New York Rangers-34,643
8Dallas Stars1,715,000
7Minnesota Wild4,063,223
6New Jersey Devils1,350,594
5Anaheim Ducks-3,235,000
4Pittsburgh Penguins1,339,133
3Montréal Canadiens1,064,699
2San Jose Sharks-225,834
1Detroit Red Wings226,667

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Thank you Matt for one good season in Anaheim. Good luck in your future!

I think that L.A. or Atlanta will claim him...

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Schneider just makes so much sense for LA. Which of course means Lombardi will pass on him.

Definitely wouldn't mind the Canucks taking a flyer on the guy if he falls to the 10th spot.

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Look at the URL. It's all mucked up.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2496...s=secStory_nhl - good URL
yeah i saw but the site was down of like 3 mins. fixed my link.

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Enlighten us. How would this be in line with a "Snow action?" Exactly how many other expensive players has Snow picked up on waivers?
Giving Streit that contract counts. And giving Weight a contract at all counts too. But yeah, nobody expensive from waivers. Yet.

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So... Who are the Caps gonna waive now?

Kozlov?

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