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09-16-2008, 12:47 AM
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CNNSI are optimistic

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?eref=T1


"Montreal Canadiens

It's fair to wonder if last season's point total of 106 was a mirage, but the Habs were maybe ahead of schedule last season. GM Bob Gainey's gang has arrived. They're fast, skilled and present a nice blend of youth and experience throughout their lineup, including stellar netminder Carey Price at just 21 years old. They are a legitimate top team and will be for the foreseeable future."


i am concerned about next year. Komisarek has to be signed above everyone. im worried that it will mean no kovalev or maybe even koivu.

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"Montreal Canadiens

It's fair to wonder if last season's point total of 106 was a mirage, but the Habs were maybe ahead of schedule last season. GM Bob Gainey's gang has arrived. They're fast, skilled and present a nice blend of youth and experience throughout their lineup, including stellar netminder Carey Price at just 21 years old. They are a legitimate top team and will be for the foreseeable future."


i am concerned about next year. Komisarek has to be signed above everyone. im worried that it will mean no kovalev or maybe even koivu.
First off, CNNSI should do some homework- it was 104 pts. I think we'll lose one key guy to free agency, but we'll see who. Safe to say 2009-10 will be a transitional year, which I wouldn't mind if it came after a cup I guess. We're still a largely unproven, untested team but with the offensive depth we have, a real hot defense and goalie will be needed to topple the Habs. Many Western teams can do that, but few if any in the East are capable of that (Pittsburgh and Philly remain the teams I feel uneasy with battling in a playoff series).

But if vets like Boullion, Dandy (soon perhaps?), Begin, Lang and Kosto are gone, we'll need a huge influx of young players to be ready plus some character to replace a bit of the grinding vet presence lost. Then there's contracts for a few others. If we let Kovy walk, we'd have to know one of our others can step into his role. Unless one or more of Pleks, the Kost Bros. or Lats does not have a monster season (in the vicinity of 80 pts. plus 35-40 goals), Kovy will be essential to re-sign.

Chippy will hopefully be up to the task after this year and he may even be our 4th line centre/winger this year anyway. And even Valatenko, Subban, Weber, White and Maxwell will have outside shots to sneak in. Gainey will know how to tinker with our lineup post 08-09, I am confident. All I know is that we won't quite be in the cap hell some teams have set themselves up for (ahem, Tampa anyone?). The budget has been managed quite well. Hell, look at how many teams, and what kind of teams, go over the cap during the off-season. Chicago, Calgary? Those aren't elite teams at this point.

Gainey doesn't gamble unless it's going to be a homerun like Sundin would've been. He's keeping things in check because he knows what the contract situation is. Gillette has put his trust in the right man and now we are all seeing the plan come to fruition. Hell I had doubts over the years about it (nothing compared to many I read who gave up on the eam time after time and were deaf to the claims that we were getting younger, better and building for a great future), but here it is.

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First off, CNNSI should do some homework- it was 104 pts. I think we'll lose one key guy to free agency, but we'll see who. Safe to say 2009-10 will be a transitional year, which I wouldn't mind if it came after a cup I guess. We're still a largely unproven, untested team but with the offensive depth we have, a real hot defense and goalie will be needed to topple the Habs. Many Western teams can do that, but few if any in the East are capable of that (Pittsburgh and Philly remain the teams I feel uneasy with battling in a playoff series).

But if vets like Boullion, Dandy (soon perhaps?), Begin, Lang and Kosto are gone, we'll need a huge influx of young players to be ready plus some character to replace a bit of the grinding vet presence lost. Then there's contracts for a few others. If we let Kovy walk, we'd have to know one of our others can step into his role. Unless one or more of Pleks, the Kost Bros. or Lats does not have a monster season (in the vicinity of 80 pts. plus 35-40 goals), Kovy will be essential to re-sign.

Chippy will hopefully be up to the task after this year and he may even be our 4th line centre/winger this year anyway. And even Valatenko, Subban, Weber, White and Maxwell will have outside shots to sneak in. Gainey will know how to tinker with our lineup post 08-09, I am confident. All I know is that we won't quite be in the cap hell some teams have set themselves up for (ahem, Tampa anyone?). The budget has been managed quite well. Hell, look at how many teams, and what kind of teams, go over the cap during the off-season. Chicago, Calgary? Those aren't elite teams at this point.

Gainey doesn't gamble unless it's going to be a homerun like Sundin would've been. He's keeping things in check because he knows what the contract situation is. Gillette has put his trust in the right man and now we are all seeing the plan come to fruition. Hell I had doubts over the years about it (nothing compared to many I read who gave up on the eam time after time and were deaf to the claims that we were getting younger, better and building for a great future), but here it is.
I have the feeling that Kovy and Koivu will be reseigned for around the same money as they have now. Tanguay, Lang, Dandy, Begin, Bouillon and Kostopoulos will walk, which leaves us around 15-16 million to sign Komi, Higgs and Tender. We have PLENTY of room to keep the core, and if the salary cap rises again, we might even keep Tanguay. Gainey is no idiot. This team will be a contender for years (it's a 4 year window imo)

Expect a lot of rookies in the team for the 101st season

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Max Pac, if he's ready, will either replace one of the UFA wingers that walks or he takes the spot of a current winger who moves up the roster (S. kost or Lats)

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As I've said the whole summer, we have enough cap space to bring back all the key FA's (not counting Lang), even if the cap doesn't increase. Which is unlikely based on what we have seen in the first 3 years of the CBA.

Now, does this mean every single one will be re-signed, of course not. We don't know what will happen. But stop worrying yourself sick that we won't have the room, because we will.

Players in blue = RFA's to be.
Players in red = UFA's to be.

2009-10 Habs cap hit guess
Price 2,200,000.00
Halak 775,000.00
Markov 5,750,000.00
Hamrlik 5,500,000.00
Komisarek 5,000,000.00
Gorges 1,100,000.00
O'Byrne 941,666.00
Valentenko 850,000.00
7th D 500,000.00
Plekanec 4,500,000.00
Koivu 5,000,000.00
Chipchura 1,000,000.00
Lapierre 687,500.00
A. Kostitsyn 3,250,000.00
Tanguay 5,500,000.00
Higgins 3,750,000.00
Latendresse 1,250,000.00
Kovalev 5,000,000.00
S. Kostitsyn 816,667.00
D'Agostini 600,000.00
Stewart 500,000.00

Laraque 1,500,000.00
Pacioretty 875,000.00

Total = 56,845,833.00


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----------------------2008-2009----2009-2010
Total Cap hit--------------55-----------48,635
--------------------------Out------------In

Tanguay----------------5,375
Koivu--------------------4,75-----------4,75
Kovalev------------------4,5-------------5
Lang---------------------4
Komisarek----------------1,9-------------5,5
Higgins-------------------1,9-------------3,5
Plekanec-----------------1,8 -------------4,5
Latendresse--------------0,85------------1,9
Begin--------------------1,3
Dandenault-------------- 1,75
Bouillon------------------1,875
Brisebois------------------0,75
Cullimore------------------0,64
Salmalainenen-------------0,125
---------------------------------------------------
Total--------------------31,515---------25,15

After signing Koivu, Kovalev, Pleckanec, Higgins, Komi and Tender, we still have about 10 millions (if Cap at 58) to sign other FAs. We could then keep bouillon/Tanguay or go after the market.

All numbers in the IN column are from nhlnumbers.com
All numbers in Out column are personal projections. Agree or Don't. Discuss.


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As I've said the whole summer, we have enough cap space to bring back all the key FA's (not counting Lang), even if the cap doesn't increase. Which is unlikely based on what we have seen in the first 3 years of the CBA.

Now, does this mean every single one will be re-signed, of course not. We don't know what will happen. But stop worrying yourself sick that we won't have the room, because we will.

Players in blue = RFA's to be.
Players in red = UFA's to be.

2009-10 Habs cap hit guess
Price 2,200,000.00
Halak 775,000.00
Markov 5,750,000.00
Hamrlik 5,500,000.00
Komisarek 5,000,000.00
Gorges 1,100,000.00
O'Byrne 941,666.00
Valentenko 850,000.00
7th D 500,000.00
Plekanec 4,500,000.00
Koivu 5,000,000.00
Chipchura 1,000,000.00
Lapierre 687,500.00
A. Kostitsyn 3,250,000.00
Tanguay 5,500,000.00
Higgins 3,750,000.00
Latendresse 1,250,000.00
Kovalev 5,000,000.00
S. Kostitsyn 816,667.00
D'Agostini 600,000.00
Stewart 500,000.00

Laraque 1,500,000.00
Pacioretty 875,000.00

Total = 56,845,833.00
I'll bet the cap goes up again. If it doesn't, the players could have an issue with the CBA, but that's another ball of wax.

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As I've said the whole summer, we have enough cap space to bring back all the key FA's (not counting Lang), even if the cap doesn't increase. Which is unlikely based on what we have seen in the first 3 years of the CBA.

Now, does this mean every single one will be re-signed, of course not. We don't know what will happen. But stop worrying yourself sick that we won't have the room, because we will.

Players in blue = RFA's to be.
Players in red = UFA's to be.

2009-10 Habs cap hit guess
Price 2,200,000.00
Halak 775,000.00
Markov 5,750,000.00
Hamrlik 5,500,000.00
Komisarek 5,000,000.00
Gorges 1,100,000.00
O'Byrne 941,666.00
Valentenko 850,000.00
7th D 500,000.00
Plekanec 4,500,000.00
Koivu 5,000,000.00
Chipchura 1,000,000.00
Lapierre 687,500.00
A. Kostitsyn 3,250,000.00
Tanguay 5,500,000.00
Higgins 3,750,000.00
Latendresse 1,250,000.00
Kovalev 5,000,000.00
S. Kostitsyn 816,667.00
D'Agostini 600,000.00
Stewart 500,000.00

Laraque 1,500,000.00
Pacioretty 875,000.00

Total = 56,845,833.00
Now Marc, I see why we get along so well. I have about the same numbers as you do, except that I put Tanguay at 6 mil and Higgy at 4 mil, which doesn't make such a big difference if the cap goes up 2-3 mil. Oh and the seventh Dman might just be Carle, he's at 850k.

Everything's fine in Habs land....

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I have the feeling that Kovy and Koivu will be reseigned for around the same money as they have now. Tanguay, Lang, Dandy, Begin, Bouillon and Kostopoulos will walk, which leaves us around 15-16 million to sign Komi, Higgs and Tender. We have PLENTY of room to keep the core, and if the salary cap rises again, we might even keep Tanguay. Gainey is no idiot. This team will be a contender for years (it's a 4 year window imo)

Expect a lot of rookies in the team for the 101st season
good post. I agree with everything.

One thing that I want to point out is how gainey managed a couple of details....

- hamrlik to a 3 year contract.... we loose komi? we still have a very solid top 2...

- A. kos contract ... to renegociate before unrestricted free agency

this is what is going to make the diff at the end of the day.

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We have enough room to keep all of our core players next season, unless they all act money hungry and try to win the loto on the UFA

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I agree, good cap mathematics, oh wise one. I think that Carle will get the 7th D and Stewart might be the logical choice as an extra forward, Trotter brings more to the table, I like Ryan White's game too.

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Hey everybody, it's Moon Man back again before he heads off for the night shift. CNNSI should've just bet the mortgage on les habitants this season, no messing around. Let's see some of these hacks put their necks on the line and realize some of these kids are going to step up and make this the 100th season one of the most memorable of our generation.

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Hey everybody, it's Moon Man back again before he heads off for the night shift. CNNSI should've just bet the mortgage on les habitants this season, no messing around. Let's see some of these hacks put their necks on the line and realize some of these kids are going to step up and make this the 100th season one of the most memorable of our generation.
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I'll bet the cap goes up again. If it doesn't, the players could have an issue with the CBA, but that's another ball of wax.
The major reason the cap has continually gone up has been the rise in the Canadian dollar versus the American dollar. But for the past 6 months the Canadian dollar has stagnated and slowly fallen. This means a fall in the cap is much more likely. Even it does rise it, the rise will be small.

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also this season teams cannot defer bonuses and such. Next season they will most likely be able to do that again. Its just that in the last year of the Collective agreement they are not allowing this option for the gm's.

Im not worried about cap for the next season, it is being well taken care of by gainey as anyone can see if they open their eyes.

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