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09-16-2008, 08:50 PM
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Carey Price considered 8th best goalie in the league

According to an article by Chris Nicols in Sportsnet.ca, Carey Price is considered the 8th best goalie in the league. Ahead of him, in order, are Brodeur, Nabokov, Lundquist, Luongo, Gigučre, Turco & Fleury. Just below him, in 9th & 10th, are Kiprusoff & Osgood.

Keep in mind that this list is a 'fantasy' list and takes into account the players in front of the goalies.

The description of Price's rating is: "Carey Price, Montreal: Playoff follies should fuel this leaner, rising star’s first full season.
BACK UP THREAT LEVEL: Halak is impressive; Denis is a question mark. This is Carey’s team."


Note that there's no mention of players in front of him having an impact like it mentions for Gigučre, Fleury & Osgood.

I'm just taking this as an extrapolation to seeing these goaltenders as to their real comparative 'bestness' (ability, technique, etc.) Maybe we'll even have a discussion on Price's actual comparative rating.

Is Price really 8th best at this time? Is he actually better? Is he over-rated by Nichols?

To tell you the truth, I don't really know. The list seems reasonable but only the end of the year will give us a better idea.

By the way, here's the article's webpage:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nicho...campaign=daily


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well is his young, and needs to prove himself...

why would be classifed #1.

he has to earnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn it.

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According to an article by Chris Nicols in Sportsnet.ca, Carey Price is considered the 8th best goalie. Ahead of him, in order, are Brodeur, Nabokov, Lundquist, Luongo, Gigučre, Turco & Fleury. Just below him, in 9th & 10th, are Kiprusoff & Osgood.

Keep in mind that this list is a 'fantasy' list and takes into account the players in front of the goalies.

The description of Price's rating is: "Carey Price, Montreal: Playoff follies should fuel this leaner, rising star’s first full season.
BACK UP THREAT LEVEL: Halak is impressive; Denis is a question mark. This is Carey’s team."


Note that there's no mention of players in front of him having an impact like it mentions for Gigučre, Fleury & Osgood.

I'm just taking this as an extrapolation to seeing these goaltenders as to their real comparative 'bestness' (ability, technique, etc.) Maybe we'll even have a discussion on Price's actual comparative rating.

Is Price really 8th best at this time? Is he actually better? Is he over-rated by Nichols?

To tell you the truth, I don't really know. The list seems reasonable but only the end of the year will give us a better idea.

By the way, here's the article's webpage:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nicho...campaign=daily
i like his list, in fact that would be my list...
by the end of this year price will be in everybodies top 5 list, and you can book that ****

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Well I have Price pegged around 10-12 currently. Id put Kipprusoff higher than him for sure.

But the fact this is a fantasy list certainly makes it more credible in putting Carey in the top-8.

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well is his young, and needs to prove himself...

why would be classifed #1.

he has to earnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn it.
I'm not concerned about him being classified #1. I agree that he's young.

As to proving himself, don't they all have to do that on a yearly or even game-to-game basis? Even Brodeur's being considered #1 is always challenged by the others.

By the way, I still feel that Lundquist is over-rated. He is really good but I don't think he's as good as he's classified here. I don't have very much upon which to base my opinion so, an opinion only it remains.

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Just so long as he's ahead of Miller, Toskala, Gerber, Thomas/Fernandez, Biron, Huet, Ward, Vokoun, DiPietro, etc.

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I would probably have put Kiprusoff and Miller ahead of him but it's debatable.


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I would probably have put Kiprusoff and Miller ahead of tim but it's debatable.
Those are probably the only 2 behind Price that I might question as well.

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According to an article by Chris Nicols in Sportsnet.ca, Carey Price is considered the 8th best goalie in the league. Ahead of him, in order, are Brodeur, Nabokov, Lundquist, Luongo, Gigučre, Turco & Fleury. Just below him, in 9th & 10th, are Kiprusoff & Osgood.

Keep in mind that this list is a 'fantasy' list and takes into account the players in front of the goalies.

The description of Price's rating is: "Carey Price, Montreal: Playoff follies should fuel this leaner, rising star’s first full season.
BACK UP THREAT LEVEL: Halak is impressive; Denis is a question mark. This is Carey’s team."


Note that there's no mention of players in front of him having an impact like it mentions for Gigučre, Fleury & Osgood.

I'm just taking this as an extrapolation to seeing these goaltenders as to their real comparative 'bestness' (ability, technique, etc.) Maybe we'll even have a discussion on Price's actual comparative rating.

Is Price really 8th best at this time? Is he actually better? Is he over-rated by Nichols?

To tell you the truth, I don't really know. The list seems reasonable but only the end of the year will give us a better idea.

By the way, here's the article's webpage:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nicho...campaign=daily


What a joke!!!!!
First of all...Brodeur isn't the #1 goalie in the league. Luongo and Turco are ahead of him IMO. Second of all, Price is far from being the 8th best goalie in the league. There are tons of goalies that are light years ahead of him. The kid still has a lot to prove.

Don't get me wrong, I like Price and think he has the potential to be a great NHL goalie someday, but he's not there yet.....he has a lot of work ahead of him before he will earn my vote. His lack-luster play in the playoffs last year and the fact that he had a few bad games tells me that his mental game needs work. He needs to learn how to handle the pressure of the NHL and all its critics.

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Today Price certainly is not one of the top 10 goalies in the league.

However as was already pointed out, this article is ranking the goalies based on their "fantasy pool" rankings. Price should be very productive for poolers. He's a clear cut #1 on one of the top 5 teams in the league. He should get lots of starts, wins, have a good SV% and a few SO.

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THN also rated Montreal's goalies #1 in the league based on...some formula they worked out.

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Price's glove hand in the second round makes everyone forget how dominant he was down the stretch and the second half of the season. But that's fine...they will remember soon enough

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It's for a fantasy pool, why isn't Osgood still ahead?

I think I know THN's formula:
P(x) = a3x3 + a2x2 + a1x + a0 = Carey Price is #1

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What a joke!!!!!
First of all...Brodeur isn't the #1 goalie in the league. Luongo and Turco are ahead of him IMO. Second of all, Price is far from being the 8th best goalie in the league. There are tons of goalies that are light years ahead of him. The kid still has a lot to prove.

Don't get me wrong, I like Price and think he has the potential to be a great NHL goalie someday, but he's not there yet.....he has a lot of work ahead of him before he will earn my vote. His lack-luster play in the playoffs last year and the fact that he had a few bad games tells me that his mental game needs work. He needs to learn how to handle the pressure of the NHL and all its critics.
Lol...Really? So winning the Vezina 4 out of the last five seasons (lock out not included) including last season. Does not make him the #1 goalie in the league? Both Turco and Luongo are amazing goalies, but neither has done enough to suggest they are ahead of Brodeur.

Also yes Price does have a lot to prove after his let down against the Flyers. But there are not tons of goalies that should be ranked ahead of him, at the most maybe 2 or 3.

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Price's glove hand in the second round makes everyone forget how dominant he was down the stretch and the second half of the season. But that's fine...they will remember soon enough
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According to an article by Chris Nicols in Sportsnet.ca, Carey Price is considered the 8th best goalie in the league.
Not good enough for many people here.

You see, Price was 20 years old, and at 20 years old, Patrick Roy won a Cup and a Conn Smythe.

Fortunately for Price, the comparisons get easier for a few years after that.

At 21 and 22, IN THE PLAYOFFS WHERE LEGENDS ARE MADE Roy was pretty poor, outgoaled by Hextall and then Lemelin I believe. Brian Hayward had to take over both years, Roy was so inconsistent.

At 23, he was good until outdueled by Vernon.

At 24, 25 and 26, he was gosh awful, terrible and embarassing, losing to Boston three more times.

So Carey Price has 6 more years to "right the ship" until he can be compared to a mature Roy at age 27 (1993 Cup and Conn Smythe).

But then again, at age 28, Roy stunk again (I think he was intimidated by Cam Neely and turned to mush) and at age 29, he had a whole season of mediocrity culminating in missing the playoffs.

At age 30, he won another Cup but by then he was with another team because of a clash of unfortunate prides.

It's ok, I have confidence in Carey Price!

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The thing about the #8 position is that after this season, Price won't be anywhere near it. He'll either go up or down. I don't see him playing average hockey so he can maintain that position.

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Lol...Really? So winning the Vezina 4 out of the last five seasons (lock out not included) including last season. Does not make him the #1 goalie in the league? Both Turco and Luongo are amazing goalies, but neither has done enough to suggest they are ahead of Brodeur.

Also yes Price does have a lot to prove after his let down against the Flyers. But there are not tons of goalies that should be ranked ahead of him, at the most maybe 2 or 3.
It's for the poolers...not a « real » list!

But anyways, I believe that with the team we have, Price could be a top 10 goaltender this season. The thing is that right now, we can't know...nobody can. We saw the best and the worst of Price last year, and when we saw the best, we saw a top 10 goaltender. When he was at his worst, it's wasn't that pretty. That being said, I think Price will have a decent season, and will at least be a top 15 goaltender at the tender age of 20.

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It's for the poolers...not a « real » list!

But anyways, I believe that with the team we have, Price could be a top 10 goaltender this season. The thing is that right now, we can't know...nobody can. We saw the best and the worst of Price last year, and when we saw the best, we saw a top 10 goaltender. When he was at his worst, it's wasn't that pretty. That being said, I think Price will have a decent season, and will at least be a top 15 goaltender at the tender age of 20.
Yes I understand that, my point still stands about Brodeur being the top goalie in the league and in fantasy hockey (one season only).

As for Price, yes we don't know if he's going to be as good as he was in the 2nd half of the season. Or as bad as he was in the playoffs against Philly. I've even said myself that there are a few goalies I would put ahead of Price, to knock him out of the top 10.

But to say that there are tons of goalies that should be listed ahead of Price. I don't buy that.

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Yes I understand that, my point still stands about Brodeur being the top goalie in the league and in fantasy hockey (one season only).

As for Price, yes we don't know if he's going to be as good as he was in the 2nd half of the season. Or as bad as he was in the playoffs against Philly. I've even said myself that there are a few goalies I would put ahead of Price, to knock him out of the top 10.

But to say that there are tons of goalies that should be listed ahead of Price. I don't buy that.
I don't think Brodeur has to be #1 because he's the best goaltender. He's a safe pick, but probably not the best one. I would probably take Nabokov and Lundqvist ahead of him...but that will change from a person to another...

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I don't think Brodeur has to be #1 because he's the best goaltender. He's a safe pick, but probably not the best one. I would probably take Nabokov and Lundqvist ahead of him...but that will change from a person to another...
Yeah I actually have Nabokov in my keeper league. Him or Lundqvist are safer picks , because of age (Lundqvist) or team (Nabokov). But for most fantasy leagues I've seen. Brodeur has finished 1st the past few years when it comes to goalie points.

Maybe that will change this year. But until it does, we can only go by past results and the past indicates that Brodeur should be ranked #1.

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Price is one of my favorite goalies but he's not top 10, not yet. But he will be.

#1 as far as I'm concerned is Lundqvist. Even above Luongo.

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Yeah I actually have Nabokov in my keeper league. Him or Lundqvist are safer picks , because of age (Lundqvist) or team (Nabokov). But for most fantasy leagues I've seen. Brodeur has finished 1st the past few years when it comes to goalie points.

Maybe that will change this year. But until it does, we can only go by past results and the past indicates that Brodeur should be ranked #1.

I wonder when Brodeur wont win 35 games?

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Price is one of my favorite goalies but he's not top 10, not yet. But he will be.

#1 as far as I'm concerned is Lundqvist. Even above Luongo.
After this season I would bet most people would consider him a top 10 NHL goalie.


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Price's glove hand in the second round makes everyone forget how dominant he was down the stretch and the second half of the season. But that's fine...they will remember soon enough
More like a nice excuse provided to the Huet lovers/Habs haters to bash him.

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I would probably have put Kiprusoff and Miller ahead of him but it's debatable.
There while be quite a lot of talent in net in the east this year ... To me there are two categories and any of the guys in category A can steal a game by them selves at any time during the game... thats called parity! Oh and by the way I don't think guys in category B are that far away...

Gategory A: Brodeur, Ward, Lethonen, Vokoun, Price, Theodore, Miller, Fleury, Biron, Lunquist, Dipietro : Asside from theodore these are all tall goalies with lots of talent.

Category B: Toskala, Gerber, Smith, (Thomas/Fernandez)

Also in there analysis I am suprised they did not evaluate Pascal Leclair any higher...

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