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09-16-2008, 03:23 PM
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if we can clear the cap space for him, I would claim him.
Again, 27 other teams would have to pass on him for us to get him. Not gonna happen.

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09-16-2008, 03:30 PM
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I read somewhere that Burkie may have decided to wave Schneider instead of trading him so that another team cannot sell him off as a rental come deadline time. I have to admit that idea has some merit, even more so if his only trading partner was the Kings.

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09-16-2008, 03:38 PM
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I find it hard to believe that schneider couldn't even deliver some sort of return... unless the ducks want absolutely no salary coming back.... but even then, burke could have taken a flyer on some prospect. Surely, you could get SOMETHING for him.

I dont get it

edit: I didnt realize he was making andrei markov type money... it makes a little more sense now
Burke did absolutely the same thing with Bryzgalov. That's why many people in Vancouver hate Burke because he left the Canucks and there was no futures. It looks like the exact same thing will happen to the Ducks as the prospect list is getting thinner and thinner.

Burke has always had a WIN-NOW attitude and doesn't care about the future. The same thing is happening with Schneider. I can't believe no one was interested in him.

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09-16-2008, 03:39 PM
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Everyone said the same things last year when Burke waived Bryzgalov...either Burke overvalues his players like crazy or...I don't know what.
Or Burke's a dick and no one wants to do him any favors... It's not like Schneider's production value is all that close to being worth what he costs (IMO).

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09-16-2008, 03:51 PM
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Burke did absolutely the same thing with Bryzgalov. That's why many people in Vancouver hate Burke because he left the Canucks and there was no futures. It looks like the exact same thing will happen to the Ducks as the prospect list is getting thinner and thinner.

Burke has always had a WIN-NOW attitude and doesn't care about the future. The same thing is happening with Schneider. I can't believe no one was interested in him.
I wonder if Leafnation still want Burkie.

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09-16-2008, 04:42 PM
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Three reasons why this happened:

3. The teams that wanted him were over cap to have him or (refer to number one)

2. Brian Burke has a much less reputation among GM's than he does with fans, if you can believe that.

and the number one?

1. Why help Burke out? Burke is trying to cut cap. This always happens with him. He is only two years removed now from winning a Cup. Why do the guy a favour? So teams are stepping back and making him desperate. Now he has to drop a Cup winning, bonified top 4 Offensive defenceman with oodles of talent left in his career and get absolutely nothing in return except his precious cap space to bring back Selanne. No youth, no picks, no veterans in return, nothing.

Anyway, the only way Burke will get a return now is if a team like LA wants to pick him up, someone else wants him, LA gets first priority by waiver rules, and a team is willing to give Burke something to ensure it doesn't happen. Otherwise? Schneider will be a King.

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09-16-2008, 05:08 PM
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Burke did absolutely the same thing with Bryzgalov. That's why many people in Vancouver hate Burke because he left the Canucks and there was no futures. It looks like the exact same thing will happen to the Ducks as the prospect list is getting thinner and thinner.

Burke has always had a WIN-NOW attitude and doesn't care about the future. The same thing is happening with Schneider. I can't believe no one was interested in him.
what are you talking about? Left the Canucks with no future? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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09-16-2008, 05:12 PM
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Theodore, Ribeiro, Huet and even Samsonov got traded to places where they could play and shine. Not sent back to Hamilton. Even Murray got another chance I think. All of them are now in a much better position than they would have been if not traded.
what does Hamilton have to do with this? It was said in no uncertain terms that gainey will not get rid of a player just because that player is underperforming or not in the team's plans anymore. All of those examples are just that. They were either underperforming, not in the team's plans or both.

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09-16-2008, 05:14 PM
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Would be a good pick up, but I doubt it happens... Teams like Los Angeles, Atlanta, Ny Islanders might claim him...

Anyway, I want a forward on the blue line with Markov so no need for Schneider IMO.



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09-16-2008, 06:33 PM
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Would be a good pick up, but I doubt it happens... Teams like Los Angeles, Atlanta, Ny Islanders might claim him...

Anyway, I want [/on the blue line with Markov so no need for Schneider IMO.
Of course. Who wouldn't?

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09-16-2008, 06:36 PM
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I'm actually surprised that one of the teams with plenty of cap space didn't make a trade for him. Especially a team like LA, where he would be a great addition to help out with their young D-men.

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09-16-2008, 06:58 PM
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I'm actually surprised that one of the teams with plenty of cap space didn't make a trade for him. Especially a team like LA, where he would be a great addition to help out with their young D-men.

Probably because they'll be one of the first on the list allowed to grab him of waivers

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Probably because they'll be one of the first on the list allowed to grab him of waivers
Definitely makes sense, I just looked at the list that hototogisu provided and noticed they are 2nd on the list behind Tampa.

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09-16-2008, 07:42 PM
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****in Waive Dandy!!!! Waive Him!!!! Get Schneider!!! Omg Plz!

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Wasn't there a rule that said that if you had claimed a player, you went to the bottom of the list?

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09-16-2008, 08:41 PM
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i have technical questions ;

If no team claims him , does he need to play to the farm team of the Ducks , or does he become a free agent ? If he becomes a free agent , he could sign for less money ?

If the Ducks call him up , could he be claimed , but at the half of his value ( Ducks forced to pay half of it ) ?

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09-16-2008, 08:53 PM
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i have technical questions ;

If no team claims him , does he need to play to the farm team of the Ducks , or does he become a free agent ? If he becomes a free agent , he could sign for less money ?

If the Ducks call him up , could he be claimed , but at the half of his value ( Ducks forced to pay half of it ) ?
If no one claims him *highly unlikely*, he would be sent to the Ducks farm team. The second part I bolded is correct.

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09-16-2008, 09:55 PM
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god, I don't know why people are obsessed with trading bouillon.

Some are actually thinking of playing schneider with gorges on the 3rd pair... are you kidding me. Seriously, you don't get a 6m, 68 years old dmen and ask him to play against 4th liners...

I actually prefer having bouillon than schneider when guys like hollweg, orr and neil are on the ice...

when I joined this board a year or two ago, ppl were complaining about his contract....not about his ability to play a physical, simple game.

I don't know if the bouillon haters actually watched the playoffs, because that third pair of bouillon and gorges often looked better than the 1rst 2 pairs...

I would love to get schneider.... don't get me wrong... his pp experience would be a new tool on our pp...

but why seperate bouillon and gorges when they have been doing great last year...?

bouillion tied with komi for the best +/- last year , and played an average of 17:20 /game..... 8 points... 60 pim : 18 minors, 3 majors, 1 game misc.....tons of solid hits.

I don't care if ppl just start flaming against me for defending bouillon, but hockey wise, I wish they could explain to me what they expect from a 6th defender...

i agree 100%. i love the gorges boullion chemistry

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If no team claims him (…) If the Ducks call him up , could he be claimed , but at the half of his value ( Ducks forced to pay half of it ) ?
Now, wouldn't that make things interesting for Burke?

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I think that Burk is being low balled by other team. First Bryzgalov, and he flips out at Lowe. He is always the louder and at time it's entertaining, but let's say that there are some consequence. I'm very happy with Bob.

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TO traded for Schneider at one point and pick where involved and the pick happen to be Luango.
Anytime we can at the Leafs, it's worth the .

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aint that the truth.
This may be the first time ever that ALL HF users agree on something.
Impossible.

I mean.. we have a guy who disagrees with our 100th season.. i guess finding a Dandenault lover woulnd't be that hard now would it?

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Impossible.

I mean.. we have a guy who disagrees with our 100th season.. i guess finding a Dandenault lover woulnd't be that hard now would it?
Finding Dandenault a lover would be even easier.

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I'll play devil's advocate for a minute and say that there is some merit to that argument. The way a successful club treats it's veterans has an effect on its ability to both attract and retain talent. If you were a veteran would you consider signing with Anaheim after the way they treated Schneider?
The thing that makes both situations different is that Schneider is still very useful where-as Dandenault doesn't want to accept his role with the club.

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That's the completely pragmatic way of looking at it, but what I'm saying is that treating players like disposable commodities also has a cost.
It's my honest answer. I'd look at his age and salary, and see it as an isolated incident. I would probably even see it as the nature of the business, and that it's no different than trading a player, which he would be if it were possible. These guys know they're commodities.

I'd also like to think I'd be confident enough in my abilities that I'd get the chance to succeed with the club. Being waived wouldn't enter my mind.

What I would want to know is how management treats the players' families, how the coaching staff works with their players and what the day to day atmosphere is like 8 months out of the year. This is what would be most important to me, and if I ever did have any concerns about the Schneiders of the world, I'd ask around to get his side of the story.

Niedermayer and Selanne came back to the club, that would be encouraging enough for me as a UFA.


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