Natey you know full well Brisebois' bonuses count against the cap(I believe 1.4 mil), and only until such time has passed that he can't receive his bonuses does that space become available.
Bonus can count against the following years salary cap.
The problem with Cube is that he's part of the overweight we can't carry to keep the better players who will be looking for new contracts, AND msot importantly, we have over 12 defensive prospects to try out and develop with the team, and unfortunetly for Cube, young defenseman start from the bottom pairing, so he, Dandy and Breezer will probably not be here after next season.
I agree for sure, I don't see much of a future with cube after this season. He might be signed for 7th defensemen purposes. I was just talking about this year. It will be interesting to see if any of Weber, Valentenko or Carle are ready to make the jump next year(more so the latter two).
The thing with defense and people complaining about Obi on the 2nd pairing is that mostly they all play eqaulish time at ES.. The top-5 were all within about 2-3 minutes..
It's special teams where huge ice-time increasing comes.. and that's a place where we are set (Hammer, Markov, Gorges on PP), (Markov, Hammer, Komi, Bouillon, Gorges on PK)
The thing with defense and people complaining about Obi on the 2nd pairing is that mostly they all play eqaulish time at ES.. The top-5 were all within about 2-3 minutes..
It's special teams where huge ice-time increasing comes.. and that's a place where we are set (Hammer, Markov, Gorges on PP), (Markov, Hammer, Komi, Bouillon, Gorges on PK)
Well, to bring it back to the point of the OP, if the Habs play only Markov and Hammer on the point in PP, this eliminates the problem of giving a lot of icetime to the the many top forwards on the team, keeping fresh legs for the rest of the D who will play ES and PK.
Putting 4 forwards on each PP line is a solution to that problem and at the same time has good repurcussions on other aspects of the game.
Putting 4 forwards on each PP line is a solution to that problem and at the same time has good repurcussions on other aspects of the game.
The danger with this is SHGs, and the threat of SHGs causing the PP to be cautious.
Montreal had the least SHGs against in the league last year, and having quality D-men man the points I feel had a lot to do with that. They were often victimized for odd-man rushes on their own PP in the playoffs, though, and I think that correlates directly with their relative lack of success on the PP in the playoffs.
Brisebois is eating too much cap space? He's nearly at the league minimum.
Kostopoulos is a good hard-working 4th liner who makes under $1M.
as someone said , Brisebois has a bonus clause . Anyway , i was more thinking about the addition of all those salaries and that we have few young guns that are ready or not to far to be ready to play for the Habs ; Stewart , Maxpac , Chipchura , D'Agostini ...
The danger with this is SHGs, and the threat of SHGs causing the PP to be cautious.
Montreal had the least SHGs against in the league last year, and having quality D-men man the points I feel had a lot to do with that. They were often victimized for odd-man rushes on their own PP in the playoffs, though, and I think that correlates directly with their relative lack of success on the PP in the playoffs.
That's precisely what I didn't like about Brisebois and Streit in the playoffs. Also, Streit often mishandled the puck at the offensive blueline, so it came out and the PP had to regroup.
That's precisely what I didn't like about Brisebois and Streit in the playoffs. Also, Streit often mishandled the puck at the offensive blueline, so it came out and the PP had to regroup.
Which is something less likely to happen with some of our forwards who are better stickhandlers and puck controllers.
No I meant Malone, but also Maltby. I just mean versatile forwards. Malone is pretty two-way, no?
I suppose he is, he's just not the guy I think of when people bring up players like that. Then again, I have an irrational dislike for Malone, so it's probably just me. In hindsight, I should have just left it alone, since I wasn't disputing the point or anything.
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Not to mention that Bouillion is our best PKing defensemen. To me, Bouillion is an ideal 6th defensemen, and his contract doesn't really bother me at all.
Cube is our best PK D? Are there stats to back that up? I find it surprising. Heck, even if there are stats to back it up, I'll probably still disagree with it.
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Bonus can count against the following years salary cap.
This has been true since the new CBA, but it isn't anymore. The reason is the NHLPA have an opt-out of the CBA at the end of this year, so you can't pass salary on to a season for which there isn't necessarily a CBA, or a salary cap, or anything. Mckenzie just did a writeup about that here: http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=249738
Cube is our best PK D? Are there stats to back that up? I find it surprising. Heck, even if there are stats to back it up, I'll probably still disagree with it.
This is my personal opinion of been watching him for the last couple of years. He is a suprisingly good PKer, he keeps it simple and plays the lanes quite well. He has continually been on one of the two defensive PK units throughout his tenure in Montreal as well.
The danger with this is SHGs, and the threat of SHGs causing the PP to be cautious.
Montreal had the least SHGs against in the league last year, and having quality D-men man the points I feel had a lot to do with that. They were often victimized for odd-man rushes on their own PP in the playoffs, though, and I think that correlates directly with their relative lack of success on the PP in the playoffs.
last year a less than average defenceman(streit) manned the point on the #1 pp. the rest ofhis ice time was on the 4th line mostly. I'm sure a guy like S kost can do as good a job on the point, especially defensively. Streit was worse than Souray defensively. At least souray could clear the net and fight etc.
Sure i liked Streit's offence but the rest of his game was below average. High quality Defenceman he is not..
That's precisely what I didn't like about Brisebois and Streit in the playoffs. Also, Streit often mishandled the puck at the offensive blueline, so it came out and the PP had to regroup.
To be fair, Markov and Streit were both far worse than brisebois was in this repsect. Markov mishandled the puck many a time (I think he was injured) and Streit basically kept shooting the puck into the other teams skates causing a turnover/oddman rush/breakaway.
I'm actually really happy streit is gone. He's great but he's a big minus player, same goes for ryder, neither were great defensively.
As people, I like Ryder and Streit, they seem like really nice guys, but I just don't want them on my team.
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This is my personal opinion of been watching him for the last couple of years. He is a suprisingly good PKer, he keeps it simple and plays the lanes quite well. He has continually been on one of the two defensive PK units throughout his tenure in Montreal as well.
When I think about it, I can agree with what you are saying but I still don't see him as our best pker, one of though.
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last year a less than average defenceman(streit) manned the point on the #1 pp. the rest ofhis ice time was on the 4th line mostly. I'm sure a guy like S kost can do as good a job on the point, especially defensively. Streit was worse than Souray defensively. At least souray could clear the net and fight etc.
Sure i liked Streit's offence but the rest of his game was below average. High quality Defenceman he is not..
Yeah but I've never seen a player get beaten in one on one battles as much as Souray though. If he was the last d-man back on a one on one you just knew the opposition was scoring.....
I can't wait to see how Souray does this season.
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I'm not thrilled about putting S. Kostitsyn on the PP point. That player should have a wicked shot on goal and I don't see it from SK. Also, it's pure conjecture to say that he'd be no worse than Streit defensively in the event of a turnover. How do we know? We haven't seen him in that situation.
I'm not thrilled about putting S. Kostitsyn on the PP point. That player should have a wicked shot on goal and I don't see it from SK. Also, it's pure conjecture to say that he'd be no worse than Streit defensively in the event of a turnover. How do we know? We haven't seen him in that situation.
Great point, I agree. Guess we'll have to see it tested first.
I'm not thrilled about putting S. Kostitsyn on the PP point. That player should have a wicked shot on goal and I don't see it from SK. Also, it's pure conjecture to say that he'd be no worse than Streit defensively in the event of a turnover. How do we know? We haven't seen him in that situation.
Uhh, Sk doesn't have the slapper, but he has amazing vision and a ridiculous wrist shot.
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Great point, I agree. Guess we'll have to see it tested first.
He's done it in London and he has done it for us before, he's jst paired with the more solid Hamrlik.
When SK has played the point, I believe for the most part he's played it as the QB, not as the triggerman. By that I mean he played it like Markov does, rather than like Souray/Streit have in the past for the Habs. I suppose he might have taken the shots in London too, I wasn't watching. But I will say that his skillset is much closer to a Markov than a Souray. The hole we've got is a Souray.
When SK has played the point, I believe for the most part he's played it as the QB, not as the triggerman. By that I mean he played it like Markov does, rather than like Souray/Streit have in the past for the Habs. I suppose he might have taken the shots in London too, I wasn't watching. But I will say that his skillset is much closer to a Markov than a Souray. The hole we've got is a Souray.
Oh, but that point has already been raised some time ago. The point would be to have a system of switching, which would confuse opposing teams. Markov has a pretty good shot and should use it more. Maybe having SK would be great for that. Both acting as QBs and triggermen. A system they would need to practice but which could become very deadly for opposing teams.
Also, Streit wasn't exactly the triggerman either. Both he and Markov took a lot of shots. The point is, this Habs PP doesn't need great shots from the point, but preferably good passers who have precise shots. This is why a lot of people see SK taking Streit's place.
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The thing with defense and people complaining about Obi on the 2nd pairing is that mostly they all play eqaulish time at ES.. The top-5 were all within about 2-3 minutes..
It's special teams where huge ice-time increasing comes.. and that's a place where we are set (Hammer, Markov, Gorges on PP), (Markov, Hammer, Komi, Bouillon, Gorges on PK)
I'll take this seriously when Gorges scores his first goal.
Oh, but that point has already been raised some time ago. The point would be to have a system of switching, which would confuse opposing teams. Markov has a pretty good shot and should use it more. Maybe having SK would be great for that. Both acting as QBs and triggermen. A system they would need to practice but which could become very deadly for opposing teams.
Also, Streit wasn't exactly the triggerman either. Both he and Markov took a lot of shots. The point is, this Habs PP doesn't need great shots from the point, but preferably good passers who have precise shots. This is why a lot of people see SK taking Streit's place.
Streit was the only one teeing up the one-timers from the point. Markov was more likely to take a couple steps in and let loose a wrister, or sneak in the back door and take a pass from Kovalev from the far boards. From what I saw, it was a very clear-cut QB/Shooter situation between Markov and Streit.
The reason I'm not a fan of having two QBs on the first unit is it doesn't fit the rest of the assets very well on that unit. Having the big shot on the right point forces whoever is playing the left side on the PK to step up a little to take away the shot. This not only opens up all kind of space for Kovalev, but it also helps open up that Markov-Kovalev passing lane that was used to such great effect last season. That system was extremely effective, and I am loathe to change it now.
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I'll take this seriously when Gorges scores his first goal.
He got one in 06-07 for the Sharks. Career 00.94 shooting %
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