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09-17-2008, 04:03 PM
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13 points in 06-07 for Betts, and 7 last season playing primarily with the 2 most offensively challenged players to ever put on a Rangers uniform. If Betts is playing with more skilled guys on the 4th line this year like Voros, Rissmiller, Korpikoski, etc, 15-20 points should be easily attainable.
You're giving Betts way too much credit, here.

The sad truth is, Ortmeyer was the more gifted offensive player on that line.

Which puts Betts right back into proper perspective and says next to nothing about Ortmeyer.

Betts is right there with those guys and their stone hands and their offensively challenged disposition.

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15-20 points for Betts? Never. The guy played about 8 consecutive games on the second line (two seasons ago?) - with Shanny - couldn't muster up a point. He fails to muster up points when he plays with better offensive players because that's not his game. Playing with better offensive players will automatically make him score or assist. His game is an up and down game. He skates up the ice, doesn't care who's with him, shoots and goes back on 'd' right away. Rarely will he pass, or pass successfully. His game is extremely simple, very defensive-oriented, that other offensive-minded players' abilities will be stifled by playing with Betts. This isn't meant to bash Betts, but this is what I believe to be true. He's good at keeping the puck out of the net behind him. To me, that's a five minute per game job, plus PK time, which gets him to about 9 minutes per game, as well as late in the game situations. If you want scoring from your fourth line, you're going to have to play another centerman occasionally on that line in hopes to get that (i.e., double-shift Dubi, which would get him to play more ice time, or if Drury's a winger, have him center the fourth line occasionally; mix it up). It's not going to come from Betts.

Your 100% right Fletch, Betts has had chances to show he can play on any line but the 4th and it didn't go too good. Betts is our Jay Pandalfo.........except we dont shadow other players.

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Betts isn't moving off the 4th line until you can find a guy who can win faceoffs and kill penalties AND score goals. And once you do that you're probably talking about a third line center anyway.

betts.. best 4th line center..

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09-18-2008, 04:16 AM
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4th line? Fritsche Betts Nedved.....that could be interesting~

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09-18-2008, 07:26 AM
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betts.

Blair "Stonehands" Betts?

He's a goner, he doesn't fit into the system, unless he learns how to skate faster and start putting pucks in the net.

Having the best 4th line in the NHL means, absolutely nothing.

It means you have the best players that can barely make the team. I say of all the players in there, Betts needs to go for one reason.

To give another kid with more potential a shot and nhl play time.

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09-18-2008, 07:40 AM
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/09182008...tts_129590.htm

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A year ago, fourth-line, defense-oriented center Blair BettsBlair Betts was on the ice for a total of 12 even-strength Ranger goals, so when Tom Renney said as he did three times in five sentences yesterday that, "I would like to see more production," from the fourth unit, that's a pretty good indication that the job in the middle is up for grabs.

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Blair "Stonehands" Betts?

He's a goner, he doesn't fit into the system, unless he learns how to skate faster and start putting pucks in the net.

Having the best 4th line in the NHL means, absolutely nothing.

It means you have the best players that can barely make the team. I say of all the players in there, Betts needs to go for one reason.

To give another kid with more potential a shot and nhl play time.
Yea cuz getting rid of our best penalty killer is a good idea....The 4th line's job isn't to score goals. If the do then its awesome but their primary job is to shutdown the opposing line. Betts may not score but he brings alot more to the defensive side of being a forward.

Not to mention...Betts has been playing with Ryan Hollweg and Colton Orr.....you aren't going to do anything even if you are Wayne Gretzky with those linemates. If Betts has better line mates then he will get more production.

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Yea cuz getting rid of our best penalty killer is a good idea....The 4th line's job isn't to score goals. If the do then its awesome but their primary job is to shutdown the opposing line. Betts may not score but he brings alot more to the defensive side of being a forward.
With the salary cap, you cannot afford to have 1-dimensional players. Just like the goons being phased out, defensive specialists have to add something else to their game. Pandolfo started scoring last season... alot. That's because he has ability, just something he never used probably because he wasn't allowed to cross the redline by the coach. Orr was a 1-dimensional goon but now he's trying to add speed and defense, not sure how that will turn out for him, but that's how the game is changing. Hollweg failed at this and now he's gone.

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I could see Fritsche battling for Betts' spot. However, weren't there some reports from Jackets fans saying face-offs were not his strong suit?
I think they could move Betts in the right deal but barring something crazy he still makes sense their and PK

I am also not apposed to a deal that would send 3 forwards for 1 top 6

For example Prucha, Betts, Prospect(Moore) for X Winger. They have so much depth in Hartford that it would be worth it for the right guy

If not I think it would be best to just have the best 6 forwards together and thinking about Aminisev in the 3rd spot or just Fritche to start

Regardless of anything Expect the Expected

Naslund, Gomez, Drury
Dawes, Dubinsky, Zherdev
Prucha, Fritsche, Callahan
Sjostrom, Betts, Voros, Orr, Rissmiller

Waiting:
Aminisev, Korpikoski, Moore, Byers, Jamtin

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Greg Moore is certainly a viable option to replace Betts.

He has spent the past two AHL seasons at center. He is a player who looks like they could develop into a possible third liner in the NHL.

Perhaps he is the suprising rookie that makes the squad?

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Orr was a 1-dimensional goon but now he's trying to add speed and defense, not sure how that will turn out for him, but that's how the game is changing. Hollweg failed at this and now he's gone.
Hollweg is ten times the skater that Orr ever will be so your assertion makes no sense to me.

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Ekky

I didn't want to bother anyone with a new thread so here we go...

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I am hearing once again that there is a definite push by the Rangers to make a deal, and the team I am hearing today tied to this is the St. Louis Blues, not the Canucks as was the case with the last round.
So....yea....


JD for Joe Micheletti

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...5&blogger_id=1

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Betts & Sjostrom for Manny Malhotra

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I didn't want to bother anyone with a new thread so here we go...



So....yea....


JD for Joe Micheletti



http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...5&blogger_id=1


Yea seriously camp has started........no pt to make a deal, they have enough talent

What the hell are the blues gonna trade

Mats Sundin is resigning with the Toronto Maple Leafs............the end

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Yea seriously camp has started........no pt to make a deal, they have enough talent

What the hell are the blues gonna trade

Mats Sundin is resigning with the Toronto Maple Leafs............the end
Shanny...?

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Hollweg is ten times the skater that Orr ever will be so your assertion makes no sense to me.
Hollweg played himself off of the team with his undisciplined play. In other words, his bad outweighed the good. Orr doesn't help the team a whole lot but he doesn't hurt them alot either. It's not necessarily the way I'd fill out the lineup card but I think that is the reasoning the team uses. If that can makes any sense to you.

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I can't see Betts losing his spot to Nedved, I also recall Nedved saying in an interview earlier in the summer that he would not be a 4th liner.

Korpo should be on the left side Of Dubi on the 3rd line. But who knows what line Dubes will be centering now with Drury & Gomez playing on the same line in camp so far.

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I can't see Betts losing his spot to Nedved, I also recall Nedved saying in an interview earlier in the summer that he would not be a 4th liner.

Korpo should be on the left side Of Dubi on the 3rd line. But who knows what line Dubes will be centering now with Drury & Gomez playing on the same line in camp so far.
I thought Nedved said he was looking for a 3rd/4th line position. Hard to say that you wouldn't take a 4th line center position with the guys ahead of you.

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09-18-2008, 01:31 PM
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I didn't want to bother anyone with a new thread so here we go...



So....yea....


JD for Joe Micheletti

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...5&blogger_id=1
I wish we could make that deal.

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Betts & Sjostrom for Manny Malhotra
Super ultra mega deal Gomez for Kariya!!!

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I thought Nedved said he was looking for a 3rd/4th line position. Hard to say that you wouldn't take a 4th line center position with the guys ahead of you.
I don't know if he was talking 4th. He said something along the lines of, "I know I won't displace Gomez as the first line center but I'm not going to come back to the NHL to play on the 4th, either." I think he's shooting for the 3rd-line center spot.

Anyway, anyone know how good of a fighter Voros is? With Renney's talk of needing increased production out of the 4th line and the signings of Voros and Rissmiller, it could be possible that Orr is gone, even with all of Renney's apparent fondness of him. They already shipped out another non-producer in Hollweg, though it was clear that he was jettisoned in part due to the bad penalties as much as being a non-threat offensively. So basically it could mean replacing Orr with Voros and Hollweg with Rissmiller. Though with a center in Betts still playing on the 4th I don't know how much more production we'll see.

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Anyway, anyone know how good of a fighter Voros is?
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...3#post15490033

Voros isn't an enforcer.

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I just don't get the love affair with Voros.

Not that he doesn't have his attributes, but that we signed him to a multi-year deal and he's counted as a "given" on this team.

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I just don't get the love affair with Voros.

Not that he doesn't have his attributes, but that we signed him to a multi-year deal and he's counted as a "given" on this team.
its not that i think he is a given....its that when the rangers signed him renney said something along the lines of "we dont want you to change a thing" which to me means they really like the way he plays and expect good things from him in this system.....also, he does add some toughness and size to a forward corps that lacks both of those plus the fact that he had 14 points in 55 games last season to me means he will most likely be playing most games

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its not that i think he is a given....its that when the rangers signed him renney said something along the lines of "we dont want you to change a thing" which to me means they really like the way he plays and expect good things from him in this system.....also, he does add some toughness and size to a forward corps that lacks both of those plus the fact that he had 14 points in 55 games last season to me means he will most likely be playing most games
Which brings me right back to what I said:

I just don't get the love affair with Voros.

He's scrappy, but I didn't see anything that made me stop and say "Wow, sign this guy for three years."

He pretty much came out of nowhere, and something here just screams of a tough version of Scott Fraser.

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