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09-19-2008, 10:09 AM
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Respectfully have to disagree.

Markov Komi
Hammer Gorges
Bouilion O'Byrne

Brisebois, Tank.

I think Gorges will be a solid top 4 this year. He was damned close last year.

Also, I'd like to see Valentenko crack the line-up this year.
Gorges is a solid #5-6 but he is not the definition of the mobile puck moving guy(a la Derek Moris) descibed earlier.

If the Habs look like a cup contender, maybe you trade for a UFA d-man at the deadline. Signing one is too expensive, Rozival cost 5 mil a year and that was prob with a home town discount, Redden had a crappy year and he got 6.5 for like 6 years.

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09-19-2008, 10:27 AM
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Gorges is a #4.. especially after his play last season.

People are so spoiled with the club we have right now.. and the offensive depth.. that they actually don't take a look at #4's throughout the league.

Anaheim: Sean O'Donnell*
Atlanta: Garnett Exelby
Boston: Andrew Ference
Buffalo: Henrik Tallinder
Carolina: Frantisek Kaberle
Calgary: Cory Sarich
Chicago: Cam Barker
Columbus: Jan Hejda


etc, etc.

We really aren't that bad off.


* Without Schneider.
...and none of those teams are a cup contender. Detroit won last year and their #4 was Brad Stewart, they got him as a rental from LA.

No knock against Gorges but Bouillon was ahead of him last year and I'd put him there again as he is more physical.

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09-19-2008, 10:30 AM
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Yep this is where a rental may fit.

I doubt management is seriously sweating over who's going to be #4 - by February Ryan O'Byrne may well have passed Gorges / Boullion (I see Bou as the team's #4 right now).

If no one currently steps up, Bob may be in the market for a rent-a-player to put us over the top on the blueline. There's next to no way anyone will be added permanently considering our prospect depth.

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09-19-2008, 10:48 AM
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Am I the only one who feels we need one more solid defenseman instead of another offensive player?
If you believed the opposite, you might have a chance at being the only one, but as it stands, I'll file your opinion under the "Mainstream" heading...

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09-19-2008, 05:54 PM
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We'll be ok through the season.

But betcha we pick up a solid rental Dman for the playoffs
Exactly... for now let O'Byrne develop through about 60 games before the trade deadline. If at that point we need another D we can trade for one.

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Definitely need another 4-5 guy, reliable, somewhat large, not dumb, canadian playing for cup with heart needs to be acquired at deadline to add depth. If a Dman goes down we'd be hosed going into playoffs with briesbois as the substitute #6 Dman, he needs to stay as #7-8.
Quit saying he needs to be Canadian..... Detroit won the cup last year and they were a Euro based time. Are you telling me that Kronvall wouldn't be good enough for you?? This is a really prejudiced opinion and shows lack of knowledge in the way the NHL has changed recently.

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09-19-2008, 06:10 PM
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Definitely need another 4-5 guy, reliable, somewhat large, not dumb, canadian playing for cup with heart needs to be acquired at deadline to add depth. If a Dman goes down we'd be hosed going into playoffs with briesbois as the substitute #6 Dman, he needs to stay as #7-8.
Yeah, we sure don't need more of those heartless, non-Canadian guys like Komi and Markov and Hamrlik... we need guys who actually care about winning the Cup.



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09-19-2008, 06:14 PM
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Yeah, we sure don't need more of those heartless, non-Canadian guys like Komi and Markov and Hamrlik... we need guys who actually care about winning the Cup.


Yeah Komisarek isn't gritty and doesn't want the cup cause he's not canadian..... Hamrlik isn't tough enough cause he's not Canadian.... Markov, we should trade that Russian tomorrow. I mean look at the Wings defence... nik lidstrom and nicklas kronwall were so ****** last year... good thing the wings had the ghost of steve yzerman on the ice or they never would've won the cup.


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10-02-2008, 03:11 PM
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Fourth Defensemen

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I really think that our only question mark this season is about our number 4 defensemen... I think that O'Byrne as the potentiel to do it, but this year, i'm not so sure about it.

So i think that we have to make a trade for it.

I thought about Bieksa maybe for O'Byrne and ++

What's the fourth defensement you'll like??

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I would not give up on him. I'd pass.

O'Byrne can become a monster

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There's some guy, forgoten his name, and he used to Captain of a team back in Juniors, but i can't remember the team either. Damn my memory

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Right now, the plan is to stick with OByrne. If he progresses like he should, then we have our 4th D, if not, we can look for a D at the deadline. Anyways, with the team we have he's worth the gamble.

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There's some guy, forgoten his name, and he used to Captain of a team back in Juniors, but i can't remember the team either. Damn my memory
Oh man I hate that, it's right on the tip of my finger tips.

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Right now, the plan is to stick with OByrne. If he progresses like he should, then we have our 4th D, if not, we can look for a D at the deadline. Anyways, with the team we have he's worth the gamble.
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I have a feeling that if the Habs are doing well at the trade deadline, that BG will make a push for another top 4 Dman. The only way I don't see this happening is if the Habs have a shot at an elite sniper (but when does that ever happen...) The Habs have both the cap room and the depth in prospects to pull this off.

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Options that are realistic to me right now:

Sami Salo (injury prone, but would be good and also complete our deadly PP)
Frantisek Kaberle
Dan Hamhuis

Deadline rental options:

Jay Bouwmeester
Jaroslav Spacek
Mathieu Schneider
Derek Morris

I'd say we might be better off waiting, but we'll see I guess. Either way I definitely see us moving for a d-man some time before the playoffs.

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10-02-2008, 03:54 PM
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I would really like to see Hamhuis in a Habs uniform

but the price might be very high

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I think as soon as O'Byrne starts playing with Hamrlik he is going to be just fine as our 4th D.

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Vancouver is looking for some offense, that's a given. I like Bieksa's style of play always been a fan. If it were to come up that a deal would be possible I would surely approach it.

Latendresse(could play with Bonnie & Clyde)
D'ags(gives them another offensive minded player, D'ags is a very solid player IMO)
1st rounder
and a Choice of either Dandenault, Boullion, or O'bryne

for Bieksa and 2nd


I'm not sure Vancouver would accept that deal, but we all know Gainey isn't shy to pull the trigger if it makes his team better overall.

Just remember Iginla for Nieuwendyk

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I think as soon as O'Byrne starts playing with Hamrlik he is going to be just fine as our 4th D.
He will be fine.
He played well with him last year. I think he's been nervous in the pre season because hes so conftorble playing with Hammer that now he's nervous not having hammer behind him.

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Vancouver is looking for some offense, that's a given. I like Bieksa's style of play always been a fan. If it were to come up that a deal would be possible I would surely approach it.

Latendresse(could play with Bonnie & Clyde)
D'ags(gives them another offensive minded player, D'ags is a very solid player IMO)
1st rounder
and a Choice of either Dandenault, Boullion, or O'bryne

for Bieksa and 2nd


I'm not sure Vancouver would accept that deal, but we all know Gainey isn't shy to pull the trigger if it makes his team better overall.

Just remember Iginla for Nieuwendyk
I think you overrate Bieksa here

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Vancouver is looking for some offense, that's a given. I like Bieksa's style of play always been a fan. If it were to come up that a deal would be possible I would surely approach it.

Latendresse(could play with Bonnie & Clyde)
D'ags(gives them another offensive minded player, D'ags is a very solid player IMO)
1st rounder
and a Choice of either Dandenault, Boullion, or O'bryne

for Bieksa and 2nd


I'm not sure Vancouver would accept that deal, but we all know Gainey isn't shy to pull the trigger if it makes his team better overall.

Just remember Iginla for Nieuwendyk
That's a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Overpayment for Bieksa.

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I say we get JayBo at the deadline and win the cup.

That's what I say.



Until then, we're fine.

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give josh and o'byrne until the deadline to see what they can do... if not trade for a rental vet.

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Hi!

I really think that our only question mark this season is about our number 4 defensemen... I think that O'Byrne as the potentiel to do it, but this year, i'm not so sure about it.

So i think that we have to make a trade for it.

I thought about Bieksa maybe for O'Byrne and ++

What's the fourth defensement you'll like??

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